Originally posted by Battlehammer
So, you personally think a character who been stated by Prof X, Scott, Alpha Flight ect and who has lead numbers of teams is not a good leader?Now you may feel scot better, but ti Say Wolverines not a good one controdcts what been said and shown.
There not even made by the same company, there no reason to get them hype for a film that they don't make money on.
First this is fox not marvel.
second no one says Spiderman get wanked, every always saying Wolverine gets wanked even though Spidermans in more comics, seen more ect.
I still personally feel Logan doesn't have the mertis to be a effective leader, isn't his reasoning for not wanting to assuming a more direct role of leadership due to his own inability to be a good leader...since he does after get charged around by steve of all people.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I still personally feel Logan doesn't have the mertis to be a effective leader,
Originally posted by The Great Galen
isn't his reasoning for not wanting to assuming a more direct role of leadership due to his own inability to be a good leader..
Nope that was something you made up in your head. Logan does not like being a leader, because he does not like the responsibility, not that he can't lead or is not good at it.
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Originally posted by The Great Galen
since he does after get charged around by steve of all people.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
your own statement controdicts you.............Logan dopes have the mertis........which I already stated...........he lead countless groups vastly longer then scot or prof x or even captain america ect.Nope that was something you made up in your head. Logan does not like being a leader, because he does not like the responsibility, not that he can't lead or is not good at it.
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what? are you even talking about here? I don't understand this statement. I also do not understand who steve is.
I don't think just because logan lead around some random opt units he suddenly he anything close to the leader scott is. His apprehension for not wanting to assume the responsibility is because of his own inabiliy to lead effectily...the man is hardly afraid of anything so what would detur him from being leader. Steve...you know steve rogers, during all ther avenger outtings do u ever see logan taking point which is exactly my point.
I'd say wolverine is a good leader, but I wouldn't say he is the best possible choice for the X-men. Honestly, I would see Cyclops or Storm as better Candidates. I think they would follow professor Xaviers ideals better. Sure, wolverine can fight with the best of them, and probably lead the X-men just as well in the field. However, I do not see him as an affective headmaster, or being compassionate (which is necessary for the leader of the X-men.) The show is okay, but I feel as though wolverine is slightly off character. First off I feel he is too tall, and him being the leader of the X-men feels a little off. I feel like this show is a weird merger of the comic x-men universe and the movie x-men universe. Cause in the movies Wolverine/Hugh Jackman is the star, and in the comics it is more of a team effort. I thought wolverine was more badass when he was not the team leader. He was a lone wolf sometimes and did what he wanted regardless of what others thought. Also at least in the old wolverine shows they had him slashing people with his claws. Now he throws so many punches and kicks he is like a different character. Now I'm not saying he is not capable of MA and other forms of combat, but I think we are all accustomed to Wolverine slicing people up. He was my favorite character in X-men TAS, for these exact reasons.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I don't think just because logan lead around some random opt units he suddenly he anything close to the leader scott is. His apprehension for not wanting to assume the responsibility is because of his own inabiliy to lead effectily...the man is hardly afraid of anything so what would detur him from being leader. Steve...you know steve rogers, during all ther avenger outtings do u ever see logan taking point which is exactly my point.
what did u mean steve of all people. he's the best leader in marvel evreyone listens to him.
Originally posted by jalek moye
what did u mean steve of all people. he's the best leader in marvel evreyone listens to him.
Obviously not. Ever hear of something called civil war.Oh and then he was shot. Yeah I think that sounds right. So I think Ironman and everyone backing the 50 state initiative would agree.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Steve is decent, but there are more credible leaders in marvel IMO.
woah! I was making a joke in my earlier post. )Even if I was right.) And I have really agreed with generally most of your posts in this thread, but I have to say I disagree with this one. Steve Rogers is/was hailed as the biggest, boldest, bravest, most courageous, wisest and all around best hero, commander, role model in the marvel universe. He was the paragon of what it means to be a true hero in the marvel Universe. Everyone looked up to him and respected him, all the other heros, even some of his enemies. And those that did not definitely feared him or recognized him as a worthy opponent. He tops Nick Fury, and anyone else I can think of in the marvel Universe. I am not attacking you here, but I think you need to come up with some examples of better leaders or facts to at least back up such a bold claim.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Steve is decent, but there are more credible leaders in marvel IMO.
Originally posted by jalek moye
who is a more credible leader. every hero and other leader listened to him above others. All looked up to him. In the marvel universe he is considered the greatest leader by those who live in it.
cyclops is as good a tactician imo. as inspiration and a leader of men? no, but as a pure tactical leader? yes.
I thnk steve has admirable merits, but he is still a human in a world of Gods.IMO, someone like Thor who has the birthright to conquere over asgard would be better suited in becoming this"champion and heroic"figure for all of marvel, sadly Thor is written down a lot to make the lesser characters shine. Afterall steve is just a human, there are so many characters with cosmic awarness and other sense enhanced attributes that it still elludes me why steve is given so much credit even inspite of being underwhealming in power....shouldnt the most powerful and capable man take point.
Originally posted by jalek moye
when i say leader i mean overall not in certain aspects
when you add everything together, then yes, steve is considered to be the top leader in marvel...
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I thnk steve has admirable merits, but he is still a human in a world of Gods.IMO, someone like Thor who has the birthright to conquere over asgard would be better suited in becoming this"champion and heroic"figure for all of marvel, sadly Thor is written down a lot to make the lesser characters shine. Afterall steve is just a human, there are so many characters with cosmic awarness and other sense enhanced attributes that it still elludes me why steve is given so much credit even inspite of being underwhealming in power....shouldnt the most powerful and capable man take point.
it's not all about power.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well it should be, considering this is a universe where people can destroy plantes, create dimensions and play with time and physics like it was some past time.
but somebody beaing agreat leader has nothing to do with power. its about tatical prowess, ability to inspire others and respect.
Being able to lad them never should be about powers
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Although since there are a number of telepaths, couldn't steves"tatical prowess'simply be copied or even anticpated lol.
No one is going to utilize it because it would require them to be pure of heart, 100% selfless nad ready to die for the next average Joe down the street.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I thnk steve has admirable merits, but he is still a human in a world of Gods.IMO, someone like Thor who has the birthright to conquere over asgard would be better suited in becoming this"champion and heroic"figure for all of marvel, sadly Thor is written down a lot to make the lesser characters shine. Afterall steve is just a human, there are so many characters with cosmic awarness and other sense enhanced attributes that it still elludes me why steve is given so much credit even inspite of being underwhealming in power....shouldnt the most powerful and capable man take point.
Galactus has all the power you'll ever need but I'm so sure that many would follow Rogers into battle way before him if given the choice between the two. Funny thing is that Thor actually looks up and respects Rogers. Has a very high opinion of him.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well it should be, considering this is a universe where people can destroy plantes, create dimensions and play with time and physics like it was some past time.
Being stronger than someone does not make you a better leader. I'm so sure many soldiers were stronger than George Washington, but that didn't make them a better leader.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I thnk steve has admirable merits, but he is still a human in a world of Gods.IMO, someone like Thor who has the birthright to conquere over asgard would be better suited in becoming this"champion and heroic"figure for all of marvel, sadly Thor is written down a lot to make the lesser characters shine. Afterall steve is just a human, there are so many characters with cosmic awarness and other sense enhanced attributes that it still elludes me why steve is given so much credit even inspite of being underwhealming in power....shouldnt the most powerful and capable man take point.
Power is not leadership. 2. I feel this is more of a biased opinion. Marvel writes Cap like this you cannot argue it. I think Cap is a more respected all around leader and hero than Thor. But don't get me wrong Thor is right up there two it is just Cap is number one. The same goes for DC, with Batman. You would think Superman is the greatest, but DC has Batman, a mere man/mortal doing the impossible time and time again. Honestly with the right writer DC has Batman do anything and everything.