Maul wins, he took out the order's finests swordsman, was called "one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history", killed Qui-Gon Jinn, who was one of the order's finest swordsmen, almost killed Sidious in a saber duel, and pwnd all of black sun at once. Kenobi got thrown off a roof by Jango Fett. got wasted by Dooku, and beat Maul with a lucky hit. I am not trying to downplay Kenobi here, but Maul is clearly superior.
Well lets see... Maul kills many of the best trained killers and bounty hunters in the galaxy simultaneously when he takes out Balck Sun. and Kenbi has serious trouble against Jango Fett by himself.
So Maul Absolutely Kills Him. But not as easily as Dooku beat him.
and no tpm Obi WAS NOT almost a match for Maul!!!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well lets see... Maul kills many of the best trained killers and bounty hunters in the galaxy simultaneously when he takes out Balck Sun. and Kenbi has serious trouble against Jango Fett by himself.So Maul Absolutely Kills Him. But not as easily as Dooku beat him.
and no tpm Obi WAS NOT almost a match for Maul!!!
True. He wasn't "almost" a match for him. He just was one. In fact...he sliced him in two.
Originally posted by Bardock42
True. He wasn't "almost" a match for him. He just was one. In fact...he sliced him in two.
In that case OT Vaders a match for Sidious as he killed him..
and Quinlan Vos is a match for Sora Bulq because he killed him as well..
I cant believe I come on these forums just to hear daft arguments like that. I might as well go debate with any old dumb ass whose seen the films.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well lets see... Maul kills many of the best trained killers and bounty hunters in the galaxy simultaneously when he takes out Balck Sun. and Kenbi has serious trouble against Jango Fett by himself.So Maul Absolutely Kills Him. But not as easily as Dooku beat him.
and no tpm Obi WAS NOT almost a match for Maul!!!
two diffrent leagues.
saying that maul> aotc kenobi because maul beat anoon and qui gon is like saying that the spartans are better than the minutemen in the revolutionary war because the spartans crushed the athenians in the peloponesian war. and the minutemen had trouble with the brittish. my point being that sure maul was good BACK IN HIS TIME but do you have a concrete way of quantifying how far that would take him IN THE NOW. because the jedi council idd improve since TPM.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
two diffrent leagues.saying that maul> aotc kenobi because maul beat anoon and qui gon is like saying that the spartans are better than the minutemen in the revolutionary war because the spartans crushed the athenians in the peloponesian war. and the minutemen had trouble with the brittish. my point being that sure maul was good BACK IN HIS TIME but do you have a concrete way of quantifying how far that would take him IN THE NOW. because the jedi council idd improve since TPM.
yes I largely agree with this.. Maul was great in his time.. but by ROTS there were just such powerful force and lightsaber wielders, that Maul wuldnt even make it into the top 5..
however unlike ROTS Kenobi, AOTC Kenobi just doesnt have any feats to show himself in Mauls league.. he went down agianst Dooku in a plain lightsaber duel too easily. Dooku didnt use his superior Force abilities agoinst Kenobi in ATOC. he didnt need to because he just easily outdueled him.
and I just dnt see Maul going down to Dooku that easily in a pure lightsaber duel.
Mauls feats.. defeating Anoon, Qui-Gon, and taking down Black Sun(which had many of the best trained killers in the Galaxy).
AOTC Kenobis feats ... ???? I dnt knw. iv not seen anything. He really struggled against Jango Fett, and was outduelled too easily by Dooku.
I'll admit it; Maul wins. Not 'tear his shit up', as Gideon and Lieutenant said 😛, but defeat him after a relatively difficult fight.
By AOTC, Obi-Wan was fairly impressive regarding his skills and all, but wasn't even acknowledged as one of the great masters of Soresu. Was he good? Yeah, you bet he was. Was Maul good? Yeah, you bet he was. Maul's skills are formidable- and while they wouldn't be a match for the ROTS incarnation of Obi-Wan, when he really established himself as one of the BEST Jedi in history, but his AOTC incarnation... well, Maul beats him. He's more impressive, if only by a slight margin.
Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
I'll admit it; Maul wins. Not 'tear his shit up', as Gideon and Lieutenant said 😛, but defeat him after a relatively difficult fight.By AOTC, Obi-Wan was fairly impressive regarding his skills and all, but wasn't even acknowledged as one of the great masters of Soresu. Was he good? Yeah, you bet he was. Was Maul good? Yeah, you bet he was. Maul's skills are formidable- and while they wouldn't be a match for the ROTS incarnation of Obi-Wan, when he really established himself as one of the BEST Jedi in history, but his AOTC incarnation... well, Maul beats him. He's more impressive, if only by a slight margin.
pure force fight outcome ?
Originally posted by Man of Christ
do you think his saber skill ssuffered because he was in that transitional phase between ataro and soresu?
yeah i agree this could be the reason.. if you think about it he started from scratch again after TPM.. up until then he was just practicing Ataru, then after going up against Maul and seeing Qui-Gon die, he decided to switch to Soresu.
So by the looks of things by TPM he had just started to Master Soresu. And his Ataru was no better than his PM self.
Also remember Maul was a High Level Master of many lightsbaer forms, whilst at this stage Kenobi was not a High Level Master in any Form. However in his Soresu he was to make a vast improvement in the next 3 years.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
pure force fight outcome ?
not sure.. not enough proof of how good either were with the force.
correct me if im wrong, but weve never seen either of these 2 do nething with the Force except the basic Force pushes and blocks.
I guess Kenobis Force feat to date was his stand off with Anakin. but Anakin lacked a lot of control over his awsome raw power, so its difficult to judge how impressive that was. also theres nothing to measure how strong Mauls Force push was in comparison to other jedis.