California and Gay Marriage

Originally posted by Bardock42
Gay men have the exact same rights as straight men.

Gay women have the exact same rights as straight women.

Yes, they can't marry who they would prefer to marry. And, yes, that is bad and should be changed. But it is not about gay people being treated equal to straight people. It's about rights for everyone or, as I said, equal rights between men and women. It's really an easy concept.

I understand that what DK is going to say is that they are not equal because they can't marry who they want, and I get that, I am just saying that gays and straights of the same gender do have the same rights and lack thereof, even though the lack hurts only one sexuality, really.

And I'd point out that in many states, a private employer can legally fire an employee just because they're gay. Indiana is one of them. I do not have the same rights as a straight man in my home state.

Originally posted by Strangelove
See, you're ignoring the point that in 48 of the United States and a majority of countries around the world, a man is not allowed to marry a man and a woman is not allowed to marry a woman. In some of these states, gay marriage is explicitly banned. In some countries, homosexuality itself is punishable by death. Overall, yeah, gays and straights have the same individual rights. It's when we want to get married that snags are hit.

And I'd point out that in many states, a private employer can legally fire an employee just because they're gay. Indiana is one of them. I do not have the same rights as a straight man in my home state.

Actually I have not been ignoring this, but explicitly stated it. I was also referring to gay marriage solely. Not other issues that are about gay rights.

And no. I, just as you, do not have the right to marry a man in those states. It's not a right that gays solely are missing. Everyone is.

....yeah, men can't marry men no matter what sexuality they may be, that's true. But gay men are the only ones who want the right. It's a little ridiculous to suggest that rights are exactly the same when straight men don't even want it.

Originally posted by Strangelove
....yeah, men can't marry men no matter what sexuality they may be, that's true. But gay men are the only ones who want the right. It's a little ridiculous to suggest that rights are exactly the same when straight men don't even want it.

You know that I support gay marriage (well, as much as any marriage), but if you just look at it the rights are the same for gay men as they are for straight men.

All I am saying. Also probably all inimalist is saying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not ridiculous, it is just a fact of reality.

You know that I support gay marriage (well, as much as any marriage), but if you just look at it the rights are the same for gay men as they are for straight men.

All I am saying. Also probably all inimalist is saying.

Straight men are allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

Straight women are allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

Gay men are not allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

Gay women are not allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

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Certainly isn't equal and it is an inequality based on sexual identity, not gender.

Originally posted by Robtard
Straight men are allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

Straight women are allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

Gay men are not allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

Gay women are not allowed to marry who they want/are attracted to.

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Certainly isn't equal and it is an inequality based on sexual identity, not gender.

I covered that my friend.

I never said that it was socially or morally equal. I only said they have equal rights (rights being what the law grants you) when it comes to marriage. You can just acknowledge it, I won't hold your earlier denial against you.

That's a cop-out, my German friend.

To be equal, they would have the right to marry who they'd want to marry and are attracted to.

It's like telling Negroes that they can't marry Causasians and Hispanics can't Marry Asians, but it's all equal, since they all have acces to the 'man-to-woman marriage' scenario.

moral and ethical equality trump technicalities of the law, in my opinion.

I am not equal to a straight man because of my sexuality.

I would simply point out that the right to marry who you wish was never discussed for white heterosexuals. Personally, I would like to be involved in a vote that allows another person a right. I don't recall being consulted about my opinion of their rights. I think we need to introduce some sort of legislation opening a discussion on the rights of white heterosexuals.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I am not equal to a straight man because of my sexuality.

That pretty much sums it up, right there.

Originally posted by Devil King
I would simply point out that the right to marry who you wish was never discussed for white heterosexuals. Personally, I would like to be involved in a vote that allows another person a right. I don't recall being consulted about my opinion of their rights. I think we need to introduce some sort of legislation opening a discussion on the rights of white heterosexuals.

You missed the memo, it was sent while you were waiting in live for Streisand tickets.

Originally posted by Strangelove
moral and ethical equality trump technicalities of the law, in my opinion.

I am not equal to a straight man because of my sexuality.

And neither I nor inimalist have ever claimed that.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's a cop-out, my German friend.

To be equal, they would have the right to marry who they'd want to marry and are attracted to.

It's like telling Negroes that they can't marry Causasians and Hispanics can't Marry Asians, but it's all equal, since they all have acces to the 'man-to-woman marriage' scenario.

Nah, I am not responsible for whichever arguments you thought I made. I defend those I actually made. And I am correct about it.

And no, the segregation issues are not the same "technically" (as Strangelove called it).

Originally posted by Robtard
You missed the memo, it was sent while you were waiting in line for Streisand tickets.

You're not 100% white, so I would find it amazing if you'd gotten it. And they were Elton John tickets. I don't listen to many female singers.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, I am not responsible for whichever arguments you thought I made. I defend those I actually made. And I am correct about it.

And no, the segregation issues are not the same "technically" (as Strangelove called it).

I'm questioning your "they're equal as man/woman" argument, nothing else. What I made was an analogy, not a strawman.

They're similar, you're telling people they can marry, just that certain people have to make certain exceptions. i.e. gays have to marry someone they're not attracted to/want to be with, if they want a marriage.

Originally posted by Devil King
You're not 100% white, so I would find it amazing if you'd gotten it. And they were Elton John tickets. I don't listen to many female singers.

**** yeah.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm questioning your "they're equal as man/woman" argument, nothing else. What I made was an analogy, not a strawman.

They're similar, you're telling people they can marry, just that certain people have to make certain exceptions. i.e. gays have to marry someone they're not attracted to/want to be with, if they want a marriage.

No. They are not similar.

Black males that can only marry blacks women do not have the same rights as white males that can only marry white women. But straight males that can only marry women do have the same rights as gay makes that can only marry women.

Are you sure you don't see it? Are you maybe just trying to be overly politically correct? Cause, really, it's just a fact.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No. They are not similar.

Black males that can only marry blacks women do not have the same rights as white males that can only marry white women. But straight males that can only marry women do have the same rights as gay makes that can only marry women.

Are you sure you don't see it? Are you maybe just trying to be overly politically correct? Cause, really, it's just a fact.

They are the same in that men can still marry women, which is your argument for saying gay men/women have the same rights as straight men/women.

Edit: All you're essentially doing is saying that an exception based on ethnicity in regards to marriage constitutes an inequality, while one based on sexuality is not and therefore equal. Which is BS.

Originally posted by Robtard
They are the same in that [b]men can still marry women, which is your argument for saying gay men/women have the same rights as straight men/women.

Edit: All you're essentially doing is saying that an exception based on ethnicity in regards to marriage constitutes an inequality, while one based on sexuality is not and therefore equal. Which is BS. [/B]

No. I was saying ALL men can marry ALL women (potentially) not that Some men can marry some women while other men can marry other women.

Get it? They have the same set to choose from. That's why they are equal. Oh what the heck, I shall draw a picture.

I understand what you're saying, but you must realize that all you're doing is:

Originally posted by Robtard

All you're essentially doing is saying that an exception based on ethnicity in regards to marriage constitutes an inequality, while one based on sexuality is not and therefore equal. Which is BS.

Originally posted by Robtard
I understand what you're saying, but you must realize that all you're doing is:

I shall start work on another picture to shut you up.