Wolverine vs Predator

You know this burden of proof this is rather stupid. Man of christ did of course make the first assertion but either way it doesn't even really apply. It applies 1st in a court of law since we always assume someone is innocent and the BOD is on the prosecutor (which really is just a convention since we believe imprisoning an innocent is worse than letting a guilty man go free. Theres arguments about this being a better method but still its open to argument). 2nd it applies when someone is asserting something exists since its impossible to prove something doesn't exist.

In this situation we're just interpreting an event. there is no reason to bring in burden of proof. Theres possible evidence that could say she was and she wasn't trying her hardest. The only issue is who brought it up first which in itself is kind of stupid. I think most of us here are smart enough to assume something isn't true just because someone says it is so we provide evidence and, at best, scans.

In comics basically nothing is certain. thats what this debate forum is for. If we actually did burden of proof then the 1st poster would say "wolverine wins" gives a reason and the rest of the thread would be ppl saying "that reason isn't concrete enough evidence" and they would be 100% correct. Any evidence that is valid enough in a bod type scenario would probably be considered a spite thread here. All you do by saying bod is making it seem like you have no evidence for your point of view. At very least you can say bod then rip into the evidence he does provide. SHOW that his evidence is faulty and then you can say your point hasn't been proven and show how smart you are.

I for one thought his evidence was fairly good (don't exactly remember how long the bone guy took out wolverine for (15sec seems long but i dont remember) but thats just 1 thing). Pretty much every damage we've seen of movie wolv takes a second or 2 at least to heal and we've seen phoenix disintegrate ppl in less than that. Unless jean's disintegration powers are weaker than a bullet, sabertooths claws, and many others than she should have been able to stop him.

And jean can LEVITATE PPL with EASE. If she really wanted wolv dead she could have done that and choked him or even continue disintegrating him. Magneto was even able to do whatever he wanted to wolv and jean is way stronger than magneto. She decided to levitate the professor and random guys in that last scene so why not wolvs?

Originally posted by bobbi
You know this burden of proof this is rather stupid. Man of christ did of course make the first assertion but either way it doesn't even really apply. It applies 1st in a court of law since we always assume someone is innocent and the BOD is on the prosecutor (which really is just a convention since we believe imprisoning an innocent is worse than letting a guilty man go free. Theres arguments about this being a better method but still its open to argument). 2nd it applies when someone is asserting something exists since its impossible to prove something doesn't exist.

In this situation we're just interpreting an event. there is no reason to bring in burden of proof. Theres possible evidence that could say she was and she wasn't trying her hardest. The only issue is who brought it up first which in itself is kind of stupid. I think most of us here are smart enough to assume something isn't true just because someone says it is so we provide evidence and, at best, scans.

In comics basically nothing is certain. thats what this debate forum is for. If we actually did burden of proof then the 1st poster would say "wolverine wins" gives a reason and the rest of the thread would be ppl saying "that reason isn't concrete enough evidence" and they would be 100% correct. Any evidence that is valid enough in a bod type scenario would probably be considered a spite thread here. All you do by saying bod is making it seem like you have no evidence for your point of view. At very least you can say bod then rip into the evidence he does provide. SHOW that his evidence is faulty and then you can say your point hasn't been proven and show how smart you are.

I for one thought his evidence was fairly good (don't exactly remember how long the bone guy took out wolverine for (15sec seems long but i dont remember) but thats just 1 thing). Pretty much every damage we've seen of movie wolv takes a second or 2 at least to heal and we've seen phoenix disintegrate ppl in less than that. Unless jean's disintegration powers are weaker than a bullet, sabertooths claws, and many others than she should have been able to stop him.

And jean can LEVITATE PPL with EASE. If she really wanted wolv dead she could have done that and choked him or even continue disintegrating him. Magneto was even able to do whatever he wanted to wolv and jean is way stronger than magneto. She decided to levitate the professor and random guys in that last scene so why not wolvs?

😎 haha, nice post. Indeed, BOP is usually always brought in under fallacy. You'll notice I never claimed BOP was on him though, just to clear that up 😛

Wolverine would tear the **** outta Predator.

Im going for Wolverine.

I'm going for Wolverine. If the Predator would fight half as badly as they do in the movies against the aliens, then Wolverine will take him down in seconds.

And not going by that logic, I don't see how the predator could really injure Logan seriously enough to slow him down, especially if he is in beserker mode, unless he maybe hits him in the head with a plasma shot.

Wolverine should be able to dodge the plasma's, they seem to shoot rather on the slow side.

I don't think any of the two would be able to sneak up on one another.

As for the fight. Hmmm well first off, Predator's stronger. Predators have been seen overtunring jeeps/hummers, and one even tossed over a tank. I think the general concensus is that Preds are at least in the 5 ton range.

Their strength level varies. Weak ones (Younglings, lower rank Predators) are Peak human or around that mark. Higher Rank predators, and older Predators are usually stronger and better. For example Dachande was said to take out an Alien Queen in hand to hand combat. The bad blood Predators usually have the highest strength feats.

In terms of dodging, Wolverine should be able to dodge at the very LEAST 6-7/10 of predators cannons and everytime he gets shot at it completely sells out predators position.

The Plasma caster's blast speed varies a lot. It has been described as "instant Flash of light" but then again some People have actually dodged the bolt itself, so I dunno.

The effectiveness of the plasma cannon I feel is slightly up for debate considering that while it does cause xenomorphs to explode it's pretty much failed against the dense musculature of both Arnold in the movie, and I believe Shaffer in the comics.

The plasma caster's blast density/power can be adjusted. This can be seen in the first movie and in some (most?) comics. Arnold was never directly hit by a plasma bolt, his weapon was hit by a small bolt which made it exlplode harming Arnold in the process. The same caster was seen destroying trees near the end of the movie. It also got trough a Chopter's armored underside. The blast size also varies/can be adjusted. (for example the Predators in the AvP movie used fairly large sized blasts)

And it's the comics that really make me hesitate to give predator the benefit of any doubt here. A police detective has repeatedily given preds all hell left and right, a brown belt in Tai Kwon Do has effectively beat the crap out of a pred in h2h, and I think even a blind martial artist was causing a predator problems.

Human's usually fare against low level inexperienced Predators, for example Machiko Noguchi (a brown belt in Karate, not Taekwon-do 😄) took out the worst Predator of the clan (called Shorty) Predators also have the whole CIS thing going on for them, they usually underestimate their prey and that's their down fall.

There's historical accounts of preds losing in droves to samurai. In crossovers they've had their butts handed to them by Batman, and Tarzan.

I'm not sure if you read Tarzan vs. Predator, but it was fairly shitty book. The "Predators" in that book weren't really Predators, just generic aliens IMO. You should also read the first Batman book again. In their first fight with the Predator (The Predator was uncloaked, and fought hand to hand against Batman IIRC) and he was kicking Batman's ass, Batman was saved by Batmobile... In all the other fights Batman has had some kind of prep time.... Sooo..

I think pred does have at least a decent shot at trying to keep this fight at a distance and wearing Logan down. But 8 times out of 10, (maybe even 9?) I'd say it's far more likely that Wolverine turns the hunt around on the pred and closes the distance before that becomes a problem.

I really think it depends on wether the Predator is trying to hunt Logan or if he's actually trying to destroy him. Also, it matters what kind of Predator we're talking about.

Originally posted by Jayct
I'm going for Wolverine. If the Predator would fight half as badly as they do in the movies against the aliens, then Wolverine will take him down in seconds.

I guess you didn't watch AvP:R then... 😕

The Predators are all about the sport. They don't just kill from afar (which is what it would need to do to win), they like to fight for the sport of it. Like in the first movie where Arnold was weaponless. The Predator dropped his weapons and mask to make it more even. Based on that, I say Wolverine chops it up.

Originally posted by frommd
The Predators are all about the sport. They don't just kill from afar (which is what it would need to do to win), they like to fight for the sport of it. Like in the first movie where Arnold was weaponless. The Predator dropped his weapons and mask to make it more even. Based on that, I say Wolverine chops it up.

They are both aware of each others strengths and weaknesses. In any other case I would agree with you.

Wolverine wins sooner or later IMO

Pred could ko Logan after a good plasma shot. This is an easy fight for Pred. I don't see how logan would get even close. Plus the preds have super human reflexes and armor far stronger than any metal on Earth.

Against the movie version Wolvie wins 9/10 with the loss being due to the plasma cannon.

Against a veteran hunter like Broken Tusk (first Alien vs Pred comic) or Big Mama (Deadliest of the species) it would be more even methinks.