Originally posted by The Sorrow
I wouldn't count on it, the books called "Indestructible" Hulk for a reason, and according to the synopsis for the first issue apparently Banner is the smartest mind on Earth.
Banner is already considered a peer of theirs, just lacking focus on that aspect as a result of The Hulk.
Anyway, it's sounding interesting, the idea of focusing on Banner is something I definitely look forward to. Pak made a really good Banner, especially when he couldn't transform into Hulk.
And even with the ridiculous plots and shite art, Aaron's mad Banner if very interesting in the cunning and machinations that he's inflicting upon The Hulk.
Like a one-being, Wiley E Coyote vs RoadRunner!
Originally posted by quanchi112it's debatable of void/sentry's actually gotten "stronger" in the lead up to siege, i'd say he gained a little more control over his bestial side.
None of the changes suggest he can beat the Void. Void was even more formidable since those two beatdowns as well. Hulk just got stronger. What is that going to do ? Nothing.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankyou mean when void was hit with a helicarriar and turned back into robert? 😉
It would, but Hulk would have to inflict enough damage to "kill" Void before vice versa, which seems incredibly unlikely given both of their abilities and powers.
hulk can hit him a lot harder than that
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you mean when void was hit with a helicarriar and turned back into robert? 😉hulk can hit him a lot harder than that
That was also after Loki amped himself and the Avengers with Norn Stones which was apparently doing enough damage to Void to make him want to remove said amp from the equation.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
void killed loki before that. he was eating lightning and then ironman dropped the ship on him, then thor gave him a coup de grace
Void killed Loki after Loki used the Norn Stones to give the Avengers a second chance and make them formidable enough to damage Void outright. Void got pissy and complained that it wasn't "fair", and then killed Loki. By that time, the Norn Stones already played their part which lead into Iron Man dropping the carrier and Thor doing his stuff.
In a one on one encounter, with Void focusing completely on Hulk instead of the Avengers and without Loki's plot device assistance, it doesn't look to well for Banner.
What's Hulk's best regeneration feat? Janus claimed he's come back from complete molecular dispersion twice like Sentry has. That wouldn't be the Vector feat, would it?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Void killed Loki after Loki used the Norn Stones to give the Avengers a second chance and make them formidable enough to damage Void outright. Void got pissy and complained that it wasn't "fair", and then killed Loki. By that time, the Norn Stones already played their part which lead into Iron Man dropping the carrier and Thor doing his stuff.In a one on one encounter, with Void focusing completely on Hulk instead of the Avengers and without Loki's plot device assistance, it doesn't look to well for Banner.
What's Hulk's best regeneration feat? Janus claimed he's come back from complete molecular dispersion twice like Sentry has. That wouldn't be the Vector feat, would it?
The two instances I was thinking of are 1) Maestro returning from being atomised in FI (took ages though) and 2) Banner being atomised on his Dr Moreau-y Island by the Gamma bomb (Banner returned to have a body pretty much the next issue, iirc).
Hulk's also resisted being atomised when he was the doorway between 616 and Heroes Reborn Universe (one universe pouring out of him) and he's resisted the wormhole that pulls people into Sakaar, a wormhole that even Surfer couldn't endure (Surfer got KOed for a while).
There's other instances, I'm sure, but really, as Maestro says, Hulk's "functionally immortal".
Originally posted by janus77
Nope, Vector's not that impressive for Hulk.The two instances I was thinking of are 1) Maestro returning from being atomised in FI (took ages though) and 2) Banner being atomised on his Dr Moreau-y Island by the Gamma bomb (Banner returned to have a body pretty much the next issue, iirc).
Hulk's also resisted being atomised when he was the doorway between 616 and Heroes Reborn Universe (one universe pouring out of him) and he's resisted the wormhole that pulls people into Sakaar, a wormhole that even Surfer couldn't endure (Surfer got KOed for a while).
There's other instances, I'm sure, but really, as Maestro says, Hulk's "functionally immortal".
Impressive feats, but I'm not sure how that trumps Sentry's own resurrection feats as the more times he "died", the faster he came back under his own power, to where it was nigh instantaneous such as his confrontation with Molecule Man, which was about as complete of a disintegration as possible. Coupled with the fact that, apparently, Reynolds has greater overt power than Molecule Man but with less precision/finesse, and it becomes difficult for me to see how Hulk not only can recover quicker than he could but also deal more damage than vice versa to score a forum win on him.
In any case, Sentry was portrayed as effectively being as immortal as he wanted to be unless he wanted to die and stay dead.
Right, and you'll notice the words "so much for the power upgrade" being uttered, which in direct reference to Loki's actions prior to Void killing him which was amping the heroes to a degree that actually caused Void pain and forced his hand to get rid of the amp Loki used.
To that end, I don't see Hulk being possessed of greater power than the Avengers + Loki + Norn Stones and being able to forum kill Void before vice versa. The hellicarrier was the final straw after accumulative damage Void took, triggering Reynolds' transformation.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Impressive feats, but I'm not sure how that trumps Sentry's own resurrection feats as the more times he "died", the faster he came back under his own power, to where it was nigh instantaneous such as his confrontation with Molecule Man, which was about as complete of a disintegration as possible. Coupled with the fact that, apparently, Reynolds has greater overt power than Molecule Man but with less precision/finesse, and it becomes difficult for me to see how Hulk not only can recover quicker than he could but also deal more damage than vice versa to score a forum win on him.In any case, Sentry was portrayed as effectively being as immortal as he wanted to be unless he wanted to die and stay dead.
The point is that a "death" = a loss, and Hulk is the far more durable of the two as well as being the one that can output far more power in a directed fashion.
Aside from regenerating from atoms, you also have Hulk resisting forces that are far greater than anything Sentry/Void faced, like resisting obliteration in Heroes Reborn and during Planet Hulk and WWH (both times he passed through the wormhole without any protection) are greater than anything Sentry/Void's taken.
Originally posted by janus77
The point I was making was that Sentry being able to return from the dead isn't in and of itself all that significant. Hulk has done it in the past and is doing it at present too.The point is that a "death" = a loss, and Hulk is the far more durable of the two as well as being the one that can output far more power in a directed fashion.
Aside from regenerating from atoms, you also have Hulk resisting forces that are far greater than anything Sentry/Void faced, like resisting obliteration in Heroes Reborn and during Planet Hulk and WWH (both times he passed through the wormhole without any protection) are greater than anything Sentry/Void's taken.
He's done it as quick as Sentry has?
Yes, you're right that "death" = loss. Hulk's physically more hardy, but physical damage doesn't really seem to matter much to Void anyway as he reforms his body until he decides not to or until he's presumably dealt enough damage to shock his more timid persona out.
I'm not sure how a wormhole or the events of Heroes Reborn trump coming back and eventually no selling Molecule Man at his own game.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanki hope you're not insinuating i'm under the belief that the stones weren't hurting him.... that's just offensive.
Right, and you'll notice the words "so much for the power upgrade" being uttered, which in direct reference to Loki's actions prior to Void killing him which was amping the heroes to a degree that actually caused Void pain and forced his hand to get rid of the amp Loki used.To that end, I don't see Hulk being possessed of greater power than the Avengers + Loki + Norn Stones and being able to forum kill Void before vice versa. The hellicarrier was the final straw after accumulative damage Void took, triggering Reynolds' transformation.
anyway, all i'm saying pertaining to this thread is that the void hurting savage hulk is not 100% applicable to non-holding back hulk, and that given the battle feats both void and hulk have going nuts, one of them has better damage soak/output.
it's undeniable that the helicarriar had a knockout effect on the void, otherwise robert wouldn't be breathing. i do believe that hulk can hit him to similar effect.
