Originally posted by janus77
Thanos has mastered Teleportation, Hulk could easily be returned to the battlefield by Thanos.
Boom tubes send matter to other dimensions and times. Why wouldnt he just teleport him to the firepits a month ago?
Originally posted by janus77
moreover, the "firepits" aren't going to do squat to Hulk. he held Sakaar together whilst submerged in lava.
They dont have to, but they would. The firepits are hot enough to affect superman. Lava is not.
Originally posted by deadspeak25
I don't know who'd win this fight and really I don't honestly care. Everything you just said is true. . .but something that I seem to see lacking with a lot of people on this board is that they forget that its just a story. It's created to make money. Everything single thing in a comic book is PLOT driven. He gets beat up so either a) he can come back later and whoop some butt. or b) help arrives. That goes for every comic book. Superman didn't allow anyone to beat him. . .the writers did. Depending on who is writing a book, Superman could get laid out in one hit by a falling brick, but then again he might have a moment of uber power. . .welcome to PIS I suppose, but IMHO it's all PIS.
How is something that is consistent pis. If a character has been getting stalemated or has been showing going fist to fist with a brick or had been getting defeated by brick characters then pis should be thrown out the window.
This has been happening since the beginning of superman career but forum people throw in assumptions that he should walk all over a brick even though his da** history prove otherwise. Flash has combat speed, do you want to know why I say flash has combat speed because he use it in almost everone of his comics. Zoom has combat speed, do you want to know why because he use it in almost all of his appearances. You cant give a character abilities that he fail to show in comics. Again wolverine has blitzed a lot of people but when he fight the hulk, thing, wendigo, etc... he get hit. This has happened his entire career and there should not be a reason for it to be thrown out the window.
I got a question for you, " When something has happened to a character his entire career when is the right time for it to not be called pis. When something has happened so long, how long does it have to happen before the word pis to stop being used against this character."
Originally posted by Sirius77
Boom tubes send matter to other dimensions and times. Why wouldnt he just teleport him to the firepits a month ago?They dont have to, but they would. The firepits are hot enough to affect superman. Lava is not.
so it's highly unlikely that it'll somehow down Hulk. also, Surfer's durability is enough to take blackholes and stars easily, yet he was KO'd by the same special wormhole that failed to KO Hulk.
as for the stuff about time displacement, umm, battle starts in the present (for everybody), he can attempt to send Hulk back in time thereafter, but that's still not a guaranteed bfr because Thanos could bring him back or prevent the bfr in the first place.
furthermore, if Thanos decided to infuse Hulk with PC, he'd wreck team two.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thanos can BFR wonderwoman just as well.
And orion will bring her back. I doubt thanos will have time to teleport her. He can just let the supermen speedblitz while he takes time to bring her back, no matter how obscure the chances of her being brfed.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
And as i said its a two on three. Orion and the two supermen vs thanos and thor. It could then be thor vs orion and thanos vs the two supermen or thor vs one superman and thanos vs orion and the other one. Either way, thanos wins his match and goes to help thor
No. As I said before, it's Wonder woman and orion vs thanos for the blink it takes a regular superman and kc superman to beat thor. Wonder woman will have him tied, and orion will be blasting him with the astro force. Superman and kc superman will then come in and overwhelm him.
Originally posted by Sirius77Thanos stood and was fine moments later. He didnt look like anything happened to him.
By fine you mean on the ground barely able to stand?iirc, that was in the astral plane. As in not in the physical world.
Well if I had those kind of force fields, I could contain him too. It's a tech feat. Give henshaw a minute in the same room as thanos, and he'll copy the tech and improve it.
Thanos lauched him in reality. You didnt read the issue its obvious.
Thanos tech is that good while Hensahw tech cant seem to defeat Superman. Big diff.
Originally posted by janus77
ultimately, Superman's durability << Hulk. Hulk's resilience, stamina and healing are infinite (as a function of his dynamic power-levels).
He'll still be devoured by the firepits until he jumps out. Only to be soundly oneshotted by darkseid. Moving on.
Originally posted by janus77
so it's highly unlikely that it'll somehow down Hulk. also, Surfer's durability is enough to take blackholes and stars easily, yet he was KO'd by the same special wormhole that failed to KO Hulk.
Scans?
Originally posted by janus77
as for the stuff about time displacement, umm, battle starts in the present (for everybody), he can attempt to send Hulk back in time thereafter, but that's still not a guaranteed bfr because Thanos could bring him back or prevent the bfr in the first place.
Thanos doesnt manipulate time. And Orion can send back or forward.
Originally posted by janus77
furthermore, if Thanos decided to infuse Hulk with PC, he'd wreck team two.
Show me a scan where he has ever done that. And again, Hulk will be gone the first part of the fight. Hulk jumps. Orion opens a boomtube to a month ag in the fire pits.
Originally posted by Sirius77
He'll still be devoured by the firepits until he jumps out. Only to be soundly oneshotted by darkseid. Moving on.Scans?
Thanos doesnt manipulate time. And Orion can send back or forward.
Show me a scan where he has ever done that. And again, Hulk will be gone the first part of the fight. Hulk jumps. Orion opens a boomtube to a month ag in the fire pits.
Thanos doesn't need to manipulate time, but to teleport Hulk away from the boomtube - and as far as I'm aware Hulk needs to go through it to be affected.
Thanos' teleportation abilities are referenced during Annihilation, iirc.
Originally posted by fangirl101Speculation. Thanos created Omega and clones of himself while you compare these motherboxes to Omega? 😂
Entrapment won't work. Not when you have Orion who's mother box is superior to any tech that Thanos has upgraded himself with. And literally absorb the field or just boom tube them out of the "entrapment".
Originally posted by carver9
How is something that is consistent pis. If a character has been getting stalemated or has been showing going fist to fist with a brick or had been getting defeated by brick characters then pis should be thrown out the window.This has been happening since the beginning of superman career but forum people throw in assumptions that he should walk all over a brick even though his da** history prove otherwise. Flash has combat speed, do you want to know why I say flash has combat speed because he use it in almost everone of his comics. Zoom has combat speed, do you want to know why because he use it in almost all of his appearances. You cant give a character abilities that he fail to show in comics. Again wolverine has blitzed a lot of people but when he fight the hulk, thing, wendigo, etc... he get hit. This has happened his entire career and there should not be a reason for it to be thrown out the window.
I got a question for you, " When something has happened to a character his entire career when is the right time for it to not be called pis. When something has happened so long, how long does it have to happen before the word pis to stop being used against this character."
Heh good question, not sure if this will totally answer it for you, but here we go. I suppose the way I look at it would be that once is enough. Like I said earlier, my feeling is that the entire and I do mean entire comic world is based soley on PIS. . .well I guess you can take of the S. If it can happen once in a comic book for whatever reason I think that it should be able to happen again. Why does Thanos always end up getting Ultimate Power? Not once but three times I believe. . .because that's what sells comics!! Why does Superman get one shotted by no name villains constantly? Crappy writing? Not sure about that one myself. Quite simply if they didn't create problems there wouldn't be a book to read. If for instance Superman was able to knock everyone into orbit like he did Lobo then, why doesn't he? Because that would get old after a while and eventually wouldn't sell. However, it is my firm belief that if he could do it once he SHOULD be able to do it ALL the time. Like I said not sure if that answers your question, but let me know.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos stood and was fine moments later. He didnt look like anything happened to him.
And superman stood up and was fine when he was in the middle of two colliding planets. But he was initially koed. Just as thanos was initially tkoed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos lauched him in reality. You didnt read the issue its obvious.
They were speaking in the astral plane.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos tech is that good while Hensahw tech cant seem to defeat Superman. Big diff.
And yet it pwns the source wall 😬
Originally posted by Sirius77Thanos wasnt initially anything. Read the issue he was fine and corrected Odin who thought he was beat. No way no how.
And superman stood up and was fine when he was in the middle of two colliding planets. But he was initially koed. Just as thanos was initially tkoed.They were speaking in the astral plane.
And yet it pwns the source wall 😬
Thanos blasted him in reality. That is when he was sent flying. I read the issue whereas it seems you didnt.
The only reason Thanos hasnt manipulated the Source Wall is because it is from dc.
Originally posted by janus77
the wormhole feat is from Planet Hulk, should be on the forums somewhere.
The surfer was depowered.
Originally posted by janus77
Thanos doesn't need to manipulate time, but to teleport Hulk away from the boomtube - and as far as I'm aware Hulk needs to go through it to be affected.
He wont have time. Importantly, why would he?
Originally posted by janus77
Thanos' teleportation abilities are referenced during Annihilation, iirc.
And his on the fly time manipulation?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos wasnt initially anything. Read the issue he was fine and corrected Odin who thought he was beat. No way no how.
He staggered out of the rubble. Odin was fine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The only reason Thanos hasnt manipulated the Source Wall is because it is from dc.
Great. More baseless speculation. Just what we need.
Now youre saying that thanos is not only a technopath, but above henshaw.
When has thanos ever pwned celestial tech without prep or the ig or hotu? Because that is essentially the measure of what henshaw did in his universe.
Originally posted by Sirius77
The surfer was depowered.He wont have time. Importantly, why would he?
And his on the fly time manipulation?
Thanos will have plenty of time, seeing as nobody there can KO or even stretch him too much. and he'd do it for the same reason Thanos worked with the Defenders, it's easier to win with Hulk than without - Thanos is nothing if not smart 🙂.
Thanos only needs to prevent Hulk falling into a boomtube, it's easy enough to make sure. all he has to do is smack Orion over to Hulk and Hulk'll do the rest 🙂.
Originally posted by deadspeak25
Heh good question, not sure if this will totally answer it for you, but here we go. I suppose the way I look at it would be that once is enough. Like I said earlier, my feeling is that the entire and I do mean entire comic world is based soley on PIS. . .well I guess you can take of the S. If it can happen once in a comic book for whatever reason I think that it should be able to happen again. Why does Thanos always end up getting Ultimate Power? Not once but three times I believe. . .because that's what sells comics!! Why does Superman get one shotted by no name villains constantly? Crappy writing? Not sure about that one myself. Quite simply if they didn't create problems there wouldn't be a book to read. If for instance Superman was able to knock everyone into orbit like he did Lobo then, why doesn't he? Because that would get old after a while and eventually wouldn't sell. However, it is my firm belief that if he could do it once he SHOULD be able to do it ALL the time. Like I said not sure if that answers your question, but let me know.
I like debating with you because youre not like some of the butt holes in the forum that answer a question with a rude remark, so thanks for that.
Ok, you kinda helped but the post isnt adding up and it shouldnt be judged like that. The reason Im saying that is because if you are using your once showing to add a power to a person then your basically saying that black panther can put silver surfer in a bear hug, youre also saying that wolverine can keep up with speed demon, your saying that deathstroke should be able to stalemate the jla, etc... I think something has to happen more then once and be consistent before it can be considered a powerset of a character or the word PIS should never exist. Using your way means gladiator is the most powerful being in marvel, which was stated in a cannon book and also stated right out of nova mouth.
Originally posted by Sirius77Thanos wasnt near defeat at all.
He staggered out of the rubble. Odin was fine.Great. More baseless speculation. Just what we need.
Now youre saying that thanos is not only a technopath, but above henshaw.
When has thanos ever pwned celestial tech without prep or the ig or hotu? Because that is essentially the measure of what henshaw did in his universe.
Thanos has accomplished making a more powerful version of Galactus which is impressive indeed.
Creating a more powerful version of Galactus is better than manipulating the Sourcewall imo.
Originally posted by carver9
I like debating with you because youre not like some of the butt holes in the forum that answer a question with a rude remark, so thanks for that.Ok, you kinda helped but the post isnt adding up and it shouldnt be judged like that. The reason Im saying that is because if you are using your once showing to add a power to a person then your basically saying that black panther can put silver surfer in a bear hug, youre also saying that wolverine can keep up with speed demon, your saying that deathstroke should be able to stalemate the jla, etc... I think something has to happen more then once and be consistent before it can be considered a powerset of a character or the word PIS should never exist. Using your way means gladiator is the most powerful being in marvel, which was stated in a cannon book and also stated right out of nova mouth.
:-) Always good to have a sensible debate.
The way that you just explained that makes a great deal of sense. I'll be the first to say that my view on the pis situation may be a little illogical, and is probably biased, I suppose I like DC more than Marvel, and I try not to let that interfere with my reasoning, but alas that's probably not going to be the case at all time.
I guess that what really just gets me is not the whole pis situation, as you said it seems that it has to exist, I just think people should give a little more care to pay attention to the feats. You shouldn't just look at the act itself without taking into context what came before or after. For example. . .the oh so legendary batkick (lol). Bruce is able to land these kicks on just about character that comes around, in my mind because that's really all he can do except prep. If the writers didn't allow him to "make his move" then they would lose batman fans. Yet by not writing it correctly and having Bruce mauled within the first page, it creates pis and opens the story more for the readers.
Originally posted by janus77
the Surfer was KO'd and depowered by it.
Hulk was just depowered by it, even the residents on Sakaar remark that Hulk is the only one ever to have survived it without losing consciousness.
Post the scan.
Originally posted by janus77
Thanos will have plenty of time, seeing as nobody there can KO or even stretch him too much. and he'd do it for the same reason Thanos worked with the Defenders, it's easier to win with Hulk than without - Thanos is nothing if not smart 🙂.
He wont be fast enough to catch hulk in mid teleport. And the unbreakable lasso will hinder him from even trying.
Originally posted by janus77
Thanos only needs to prevent Hulk falling into a boomtube, it's easy enough to make sure. all he has to do is smack Orion over to Hulk and Hulk'll do the rest 🙂.
So thanos is going to guard hulk like a child? No. Hulk will go jumping in like he always does. Even wwh. When he does, orion will simply open a boomtube and use the momentum to suck him in.