Weezer's awesome music video (and I'm not even a Weezer fan)

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what a terrible comparison. radiohead went in a totally different direction with kid a, whereas weezer just dumbed themselves down. actually, what does radiohead have to do with any of this? i'm a bit nonplussed.

"The delusional sense of entitlement you feel"

the ironing is delicious. that you presume to know the source of my opinion on weezer's latter day works is absurd. this has nothing to do with "coolness" (an argument you throw around a whole lot) and everything to do with the songwriting. fine; the songs are still catchy. that's true. but they're also a lot dumber. that ****ing song on "red" where he just names other songs he likes is an abomination.

what happened to songs about him creeping out on girls? now we've got songs about being famous and hash pipes.

and screw your "it will appeal to people or it won't" relativism. it's like freshman philosophy all over again.

"Stop assuming this is factually down to something being wrong with Weezer or their fans and just accept the fact that you dislike the music they're currently making."

as opposed to assuming that this is factually something wrong with myself, hundreds of critics, and thousands of (former) fans, rather than something with the music they're currently making?

i bet your favorite story growing up was "the emperor has no clothes".

Originally posted by manorastroman
what a terrible comparison. radiohead went in a totally different direction with kid a, whereas weezer just dumbed themselves down. actually, what does radiohead have to do with any of this? i'm a bit nonplussed.

The fact that I believe there is no sensible, nor reasonable argument as to why people believe either band has gone into a decline, and it's often just because people are too scared to go against opinion. I believe this is the case for you, as I will prove soon.

Originally posted by manorastroman
the ironing is delicious. that you presume to know the source of my opinion on weezer's latter day works is absurd. this has nothing to do with "coolness" (an argument you throw around a whole lot) and everything to do with the songwriting. fine; the songs are still catchy. that's true. but they're also a lot dumber. that ****ing song on "red" where he just names other songs he likes is an abomination.

Dumber? How do you define dumb? So this all comes down to musical songs being "dumber" based on lyrics that you don't like? Because I fail to see how actual musical composition could be considered dumb. I can give you a big, big clue what IS dumb though. I'm reading and replying to it currently.

You just sound horribly bitter.

Furthermore, that's at odds with your argument that he's not trying. He has a Harvard degree, he's not a stupid man. So obviously he is making more of an effort to keep things as he wants them rather than subscribing to making what is perceived as "intelligent" music. Not to say this music is unintelligent. Brian Wilson wasn't exactly splitting atoms with Pet Sounds.

Originally posted by manorastroman
what happened to songs about him creeping out on girls? now we've got songs about being famous and hash pipes.

So the songs and songwriting are musically dumb because you dislike his choice of lyrical focal points? Congratulations, your opinion has almost reached the recycle bin of my mind. I dislike a lot of lyrics that happen to have been put to great songs. I don't dislike the songs, because that would be retarded.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the music just because you need the lyrics to be something you enjoy.

Furthermore, if you took Beverly Hills' lyrics to heart with any kind of seriousness, then Rivers has not only alienated you, but he's obviously outsmarted you, and so has everyone else who has seen that it was meant with a sense of tongue in cheek. You honestly think that because, in Pork and Beans, he sings about Timbaland teaching him to "perfect the art", that he honestly feels he can learn about songwriting from him? Get some sense, please.

Originally posted by manorastroman
and screw your "it will appeal to people or it won't" relativism. it's like freshman philosophy all over again.

Why? Does the fact that I am factually correct bother you? It will appeal to people...or it won't. There's no factually good or bad music, and it is really burning you up knowing that you cannot prove that. Rivers has, and hopefully will ALWAYS write music that pleases him and the band first, because that is what has yielded the most enjoyment for me and many others. The one time he tried collaborating with "fans" was when he realised they haven't got a f*cking clue what they're on about, and the song turned out shit.

Originally posted by manorastroman
as opposed to assuming that this is factually something wrong with myself, hundreds of critics, and thousands of (former) fans, rather than something with the music they're currently making?

A) I never made the point that you were wrong by fact on your choice to dislike whatever Weezer have done over their last few albums. Just that I think you're an idiot for it and your argument confirms such. Didn't say you, or the critics were "wrong".

B) Majority doesn't equal fact. If that's the case, then everyone (And it was in excess of thousands, in all probability) who ditched Radiohead after OK Computer, critics and fans alike, were definitely right. Were they? No, it was opinion.

Let's kill you off, though. Shall we?

Originally posted by manorastroman
the ironing is delicious. that you presume to know the source of my opinion on weezer's latter day works is absurd. this has nothing to do with "coolness" (an argument you throw around a whole lot) and everything to do with the songwriting.

You opened this reply by saying you don't dislike them because of coolness or numbers, nor popular opinion, right? Then why say this:

Originally posted by manorastroman
as opposed to assuming that this is factually something wrong with myself, hundreds of critics, and thousands of (former) fans, rather than something with the music they're currently making?

I just realised, your opinions are entirely at odds! You open your post saying how silly I am for saying you hold this opinion because the masses do, then you use the masses that share that opinion as a means to clarify your argument in the quote above. Jesus, if I wasn't so excellently perceptive, you might have had a shot in this debate.

Besides, the argument for majority opinion carrying more weight is stupid. The majority are against me when I argue against Britney Spears music, what does that tell you? Since when did the majority have any bearing over quality, really? Even critics hardly know what they hell they're on about nowadays. Just the other day the NME were praising...wait for it...Scarlett Johannson's album.

Originally posted by manorastroman
i bet your favorite story growing up was "the emperor has no clothes".

I bet you didn't read any books.

-AC

I love that song so much.

And I laughed so much at the video. It's one giant internet meme, it's brilliant.

It works on levels that we can all enjoy.

lol.

since when do coolness and numbers equate? if anything, they're mutually exclusive.

also, i wasn't saying "i think i'm right because several people agree with me." i was simply pointing out the hypocrisy in this:

"Stop assuming this is factually down to something being wrong with Weezer or their fans and just accept the fact that you dislike the music they're currently making."

Well to broaden what I said, the issue, factually, is yours.

YOU have a subjective issue with the way the songs are written, or even worse, the lyrics. It's not Weezer, there's nothing inherently good or bad about them now. You either like it or you don't.

If the fact that relative preference is a key here bothers you, I suggest just not debating the subject.

-AC

if relative preference is a key here, then there's nothing to debate, is there?

Not beyond:

"I think this is abysmal.", "I think it's great.".

Then again, I wasn't the one saying you were wrong for disliking it. You continued to post saying "F*ck this noise.", as if we were wrong and needed to stop.

-AC

This album is sounding really good. I have no complaints. Its maybe less accessible than some of their albums but that doesnt make it bad

Pretty cool video.

Heart Songs is sweet.

Great stuff, cool band.