i was watching a show wherein it was explained that the actors who played the characters did the dueling themselves to appropriately capture the emotions involved in having to meet blades with the man you used to be able to trust your life with.
my conlcusion: yes lucas could have had the duels to be more matrix-like with stunt doubles and such but he would have run the serious risk of being unable to cpature the emotions and the fights being too robotic. so he chose emotion over stunts
They're too different to really compare, as some have already pointed out. I think the Sidious vs Mace and crew fight shows how powerful Sidious is as opposed to how weak the others are, but i guess it's all based on your perception.
To me, and I'm speaking only for myself, the Ani/Ob1 and Bespin fights are the best SW has to offer, and beats out anything the Matrix brings to the table. Yes, hand-to-hand combat looks really cool if the choreography is done correctly (which i would say it was), but the way Ani and Ob1 were going at it with those sabers was crazy.
The Matrix fights were awesome, don't get me wrong, and I love the Neo/Serv fight (because it was so back and forth rather than Neo pwning), but its just a different category of combat. Plus the mechanics and physics of the Matrix fights were askew ed and different, for obvious reasons.
neo vs vader?...nah probably been done... vader stops blasts with his hand neo stops bullets with his hands....superman catches bullets...hulk just takes it and heals...neo comes back to life...vader just gets rebuilt...superman comes back to life and learns he doesnt have to die...hulk gets melted down to bone and regenerates...they all suck cause I cant do any of that...lol
There was a moment in the fight between Kenobi and Anakin that was totally retarded.
The scene where they seem to have difficulty balancing themselves as they walk across some beams above lava. Anakin was even flailing his arms at one point to maintain balance.
What the hell was that shit sersiously? A Jedi Master should have been depicted as walking and even fighting across that thing confidently and without fear.
Also, during Order 66, alot of the Jedi Masters fell too easily, I mean waaay too easily. I mean they are supposed to have a certain level of pre-cog right? I would accept that they eventually fell, but they could've put up more of a fight.
Now don't get me started about Palpatine's fight. He was complete shit house except for that one spinning move he did to take out 3 Jedi Masters. That was crap. How the hell did they become Masters if they are fell with one freaking strike. Sure, Palpatine is powerful, but going down in one strike is pathetic.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I rule.
Originally posted by PlacidityWell, try fighting to the death your best friend for like ten minutes, then go balance on a tight rope; you might not be walking too steady, even with the Force. The more retarded part of that fight was the f*cking droid that stops in midair and looks at them like "Wtf?"
There was a moment in the fight between Kenobi and Anakin that was totally retarded.The scene where they seem to have difficulty balancing themselves as they walk across some beams above lava. Anakin was even flailing his arms at one point to maintain balance.
What the hell was that shit sersiously? A Jedi Master should have been depicted as walking and even fighting across that thing confidently and without fear.
Also, during Order 66, alot of the Jedi Masters fell too easily, I mean waaay too easily. I mean they are supposed to have a certain level of pre-cog right? I would accept that they eventually fell, but they could've put up more of a fight.
Now don't get me started about Palpatine's fight. He was complete shit house except for that one spinning move he did to take out 3 Jedi Masters. That was crap. How the hell did they become Masters if they are fell with one freaking strike. Sure, Palpatine is powerful, but going down in one strike is pathetic.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I rule.
The reason for the quick deaths during Order 66 was the lack of emotion or hesitation from the clones. There wasn't any neurological changes for the Jedi to pick up in time.
And the 3 masters went down a little gayly, but the point of that was to express to the audience Palpatine's secret, extreme uberness. Still, the movie should've depicted the novelization's method.
Originally posted by truejedipretty much everyone i know who loved matrix 1 hates the sequels, as do alot of other people, they became more about special effects and fighting
I was rewatching the Matrix Reloaded yesterday, and the fight scene between neo and all the thugs while the keymaker is trying to escape was really incredible. ( i knew that, i had just forgotten exactly how incredible) I was also thinking, why didn't Lucas make the fight between sidious, and the three Jedi masters more like that one? It wouldn't have added a lot of stage time, because instead of Neo hitting them over and over and them getting up, when sidious hit them once with a saber, they would have been finished, it would have also made their deaths much more realistic, and made sidious appear that much more powerful, because now his feat of killing the three all at once just makes them appear that much weaker.When Neo is leaping around the hallway, from stair case to stair case, and using the sword, that can only be described as Jedi. If he had been holding a saber, and the others had been too, it would have been the greatest fight scene in Star Wars history. I've heard that the reason for the famous Star wars "pause" at the end of fight scenes to allow one combatant to win, is because its almost impossible to coreograph an actual "loss" in a sword fight. But apparently not. You don't see one such pause in the matrix.
So in conclusion: should we have expected more from lucas than he ended up giving us? I heard a lot "it was the best they could do" comments for a few months after episode 3, but as the matrix shows, it could have been better.
any thoughts?