The Flash vs The Runner

Although there is a thread that exists similar to this one this is not a fist fight alone.

- Wally West vs The Runner -
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The 1st scenario is a race across the Universe and back. The length of this particular Universe spans 100 light years. There are two parts to this one though.

Part A. The Runner has the Space Gem.
Part B. The Runner does not have the Space Gem.

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The 2nd scenario is a speed fight in which the Runner does not have the Space Gem. The fight is sanctioned on a desolate planet the size of the earth so that the gravity is the exact same as ours.

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Since the Runner does not require food to replenish spent energy, and the Flash does, Hank Pym (Giant Man) and The Atom have combined their size reduction physics (or whatever) to have nutrients pumped into the Flash's body as the race/battle unfolds ( to make this somewhat fair).

Forge has designed a device that allows Wally to breath in space.

Rules.
There is no outside help, and no extra Go Go gadgets allowed (other than what has been designed for Wally).

I believe that speed feats for both can be found in the Comic Book Character Respect Section, so please feel free to dive right in. 😉

Once and for all who wins this?

This is KMC,
so Wally wins by default.

This came up in another thread. How does The Runner do against both flashes?

Loses to Wally.

Wins against Bart.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This came up in another thread. How does The Runner do against both flashes?

the flashes will succumb to it, and end up buying the runner a beer.

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that his likability aura does not apply under forum rules. All combatants are trying to win and will use their full abilities. We've seen people attack Runner when they really wanted to attack him. Surfer being affected once is not an endorsement, because he wasn't fully committed to fighting him.

If it's in effect, he might have a shot. But if not, he can't beat either of them. They're both faster and more versatile than he is. And Speed-steal is a OHK against someone like him.

lulz

the guy can create thrust in space by running within his own energy trail, i don't even want to know what he could achieve with actual ground under him.

the likability effect is the same as the one starfox has, it's part of his powers and emanates from him seemingly at all times, you wouldn't say starfox can't use it now would you?

yeah, likeability is a "power" and should apply. what's runner's best feat sans the gem?

beating the surfer

Originally posted by psycho gundam
beating the surfer

really? i thought he had the gem when he did that? i was referring to his greatest SPEED feat though.

iirc they wer introduced later in the series.

and the runner could only tap into it subconsciously to teleport, his speed feats were all him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
iirc they wer introduced later in the series.

and the runner could only tap into it subconsciously to teleport, his speed feats were all him.

to teleport? i thought he tapped it unconsciously to augment his natural abilities. in a race with makkari later, he lost. he would never have lost with the gem.

I think the runners best speed feat is running across galaxies in the time in took moondragon to scream or something like that.

Originally posted by leonidas
to teleport? i thought he tapped it unconsciously to augment his natural abilities. in a race with makkari later, he lost. he would never have lost with the gem.

the race with makkari was a homage to barry allen flash since makkari had to become one with this force analogous to the speed force in order to beat the runner.

the drawback was that any being who utilized the technique would be forever trapped in it, which is why the runner never wanted to use it since it would go against his lust for total freedom. and he didn't use his gem as well.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that his likability aura does not apply under forum rules. All combatants are trying to win and will use their full abilities. We've seen people attack Runner when they really wanted to attack him. Surfer being affected once is not an endorsement, because he wasn't fully committed to fighting him.

If it's in effect, he might have a shot. But if not, he can't beat either of them. They're both faster and more versatile than he is. And Speed-steal is a OHK against someone like him.

So the Flashes can steal his speed, but he cant use a power that he's been shown to use before?

Originally posted by Naija boy
I think the runners best speed feat is running across galaxies in the time in took moondragon to scream or something like that.

🙂

facepalm it's always about superman...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
facepalm it's always about superman...

😂

have you met juntai? 😐

😛

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

have you met juntai?

😛

It's a matter of comparison. Superman would have trouble trying to keep pace with Wally and Bart at once. Yet he has comparable space-travel feats to the fastest characters out there. Similarly - Green Lantern.

Wally and Bart obviously don't run in space very often, so they don't have 'ran to another galaxy' feats, for a reason.