lost Amazon tribe

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed, though maybe mocking the actions of the missionaries to South America isnt too bad...

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Well, their faith motivated them to go there and spread their nonsense. But, as it is, even the missionaries are kept out of the tribe's little fish bowl corner of the world.

Originally posted by Devil King
Well, their faith motivated them to go there and spread their nonsense. But, as it is, even the missionaries are kept out of the tribe's little fish bowl corner of the world.

Indeed...their faith motivated their actions...thus the faith and all people who share it are in some way guilty?

Originally posted by Jovan
I don't disagree with axis and environment. His dismissal of African axis is wrong and his W-E axis is pushing it too

Why? Obviously there are some exceptions but what is wrong with the general principle? It is actually true that climates on an east-west axis tend to be similar and on north-south tend to differ. That's hardly obscure- we know at the poles it is cold and at the equator it is hot, and we know the climate from continent to continent is broadly similar from east to west or vice versa.

From there he raises the idea that a wide continent is going to give a greater opportunity for lifeforms to spread than a tall one because the environment will be friendlier, and that this was the starting point of Eurasian progress.

Can you actually dispute that?

Originally posted by Robtard
That's actually the Sun God Appollo, shssh.

It's pretty much every sun god that came before him, as well.

Originally posted by Devil King
It's pretty much every sun god that came before him, as well.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed...their faith motivated their actions...thus the faith and all people who share it are in some way guilty?

No, them much more so, because they are the ones forcing their religion on others. And it should amaze no one that the spread of christianity is at it's peak in the poor nations of the world. They're using their faith as a bartering tool when handing out medicine and food. "You can have the ham sandwich, but you've got to listen to this story about Jesus." "You can have the anti-biotic, but let me tell you what Moses did while I'm administering it." But, it's much more preferable to their old methods of spreading it at the end of a sword or gun.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed.

Because they're all made up super beings, right?

Originally posted by Devil King
No, them much more so, because they are the ones forcing their religion on others. And it should amaze no one that the spread of christianity is at it's peak in the poor nations of the world, because they're using their faith as a bartering tool when handing out medicine and food. "You can have the ham sandwich, but you've got to listen to this story about Jesus." "You can have the anti-biotic, but let me tell you what Moses did while I'm administering it."

Better than nothing at all though isn't it?

Originally posted by Devil King
Because they're all made up super beings, right?

Indeed.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Better than nothing at all though isn't it?

As a friend of mine once said to me, being a good person for the sake of being a good person is a virtue, to be a good person to further your own agenda makes you a selfish bastard.

Actually, it was Adam_PoE and I think he was saying of me, not just to me.

Originally posted by Devil King
As a friend of mine once said to me, being a good person for the sake of being a good person is a virtue, to be a good person to further your own agenda makes you a selfish bastard.

Actually, it was Adam_PoE and I think he was saying of me, not just to me.

Well, I imagine the Christian missionary sees spreading his faith as a better gift than the food...

Tell that to the starving third-world mother with 3 kids that has little or no food or shelter to speak of, but she has a pamphlet with a picture of Jesus and some inspirational verse written on the backside.

Originally posted by Robtard
Tell that to the starving third-world mother with 3 kids that has little or no food or shelter to speak of, but she has a pamphlet with a picture of Jesus and some inspirational verse written on the backside.

I don't see how that changes what the Christian missionary thinks is the best gift he can give to such a person....

If they truly thought believing in Jesus is better than food, shelter, shoes, iPods and fancy coffee, they'd give up all their earthly goods and trade places.

Originally posted by Robtard
If they truly thought believing in Jesus is better than food, shelter, shoes, iPods and fancy coffee, they'd give up all their earthly goods and trade places.

Are you saying they are not sincere in their belief in Jesus and that they think spreading his gospel is helpful?

Originally posted by Robtard
Tell that to the starving third-world mother with 3 kids that has little or no food or shelter to speak of, but she has a pamphlet with a picture of Jesus and some inspirational verse written on the backside.

Kindling is kindling

Give a man a fish and he'll do what ever you tell him. Teach a man to fish for himself and he won't come back.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Are you saying they are not sincere in their belief in Jesus and that they think spreading his gospel is helpful?

I'm saying, or rather extrapolating on what DK said, they are being helpful to these people not because they think "it's just the right thing to do as a person", they're doing it for their own (selfish) reasons. I.E. to spread their beliefs, and they know the starving and dying are more susceptible to convert, especially if you have (food and meds) what they need, than some guy in New York with the $320k job.

Answer me this, would it be so hard for them to hand out food and meds and not speak of Jesus or handout Bibles?

Edit: This last Friday, I gave a homeless lady (at least I thought she was female) in San Francisco some money, I didn't once mention my religious beliefs to her.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm saying, or rather extrapolating on what DK said, they are being helpful to these people not because they think "it's just the right thing to do as a person", they're doing it for their own (selfish) reasons. I.E. to spread their beliefs, and they know the starving and dying are more susceptible to convert, especially if you have (food and meds) what they need, than some guy in New York with the $320k job.

Answer me this, would it be so hard for them to hand out food and meds and not speak of Jesus or handout Bibles?

Edit: This last Friday, I gave a homeless lady (at least I thought she was female) in San Francisco some money, I didn't once mention my religious beliefs to her.

See, your point makes no sense.

To the some Christians- not you- bringing people to believe in Christ is a far better gift than any medicine or money they can give them. Thus, they are not acting selfishly as you state- I'm not sure how many Christian Missionary's you know...For a Christian to not try and spread the gospel just to that people like you can feel better about their works would be more selfish, in their eyes.

Originally posted by Robtard
I asked JIA that very same question once, would someone that never had a chance to accept or deny Jesus, like these people, go to heaven or hell.

A good person wouldn't go to hell...not by a long shot. 😉

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
See, your point makes no sense.

To the some Christians- not you- bringing people to believe in Christ is a far better gift than any medicine or money they can give them. Thus, they are not acting selfishly as you state- I'm not sure how many Christian Missionary's you know...For a Christian to not try and spread the gospel just to that people like you can feel better about their works would be more selfish, in their eyes.

I've no doubt they believe that, but in reality, using someones stare of destitution as a fulcrum to inject your own views on them is selfish.

Why can't they just give the poor and sick beggar the sandwich, why does the pamphlet have to go along?