Bowser vs. Ganon

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
There is no answer.
The cutscenes after completing a castle show Mario destroying them and even launching them into space.
Yet after that, we see ruins.
I have no answer and it's not up to me to prove it to you.

Stop with the No Limits Fallacy. If only the Master Sword can hurt Ganon then that means Galactus couldn't do it.

And Dimentio could destroy all of Zelda by himself.

2. Galactus can prolly make the same kinda power as the MS if he wanted.

3. And he is too slow to avoid being cut in half.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
If only the Master Sword can hurt Ganon

The Master Sword is not the only thing that can hurt Ganon.

*cough*LightArrowsandSilverArrows*cough*

Which Bowser doesn't have.

However the point still stands, more than just the Master Sword will hurt Ganon...

Originally posted by Peach
However the point still stands, more than just the Master Sword will hurt Ganon...

Point aside that it was the person who said Bowser would win said that (Pyron_Knight) and not those who say Ganon wins.

We see Bowser's biggest and strongest attack to be his fire breath and we see Ganondorf take a hit from a dragon's fire breath at point blank range and come out of it unharmed and that attack destroyed most of the Forbidden Fortress.

And that isn't even his greatest durability feat.

Taking the Master Sword to the hand, and being able to speak afterwards is, and he didn't even have the Triforce of Power.

Hmm, looks like most of you are agreeing that Ganon wins here and talking about their durability feats. If it were hand to hand, Bowser would probably win, because Ganon having the Triforce of Power was the only thing giving him his durability feats, Bowser didn't use any items or Artifacts to accomplish his own. And if Ganon can get something, why not Bowser? If he can get his Star Rod, it's a stalemate, because neither will be able to kill the other; Bowser won't have any Light/Silver Arrows or Master Sword to damage Ganon because he has the Triforce of Power, and Ganon won't have any Star Spirits to nullify Bowser's Invincibility gained by the Star Rod, so, he won't be able to do anything to Bowser either. But Ganon was a powerful wizzard even before gaining his Trifoce Piece, just not Near-Immortality.

But if it's the usual normal empty handed Bowser vs Ganon with his usual Triforce Piece, Ganon wins. He has too much of an advantage over Bowser.

Oh and Pyron_Knight, for that part where you talked about Dimentio's beastiness he's not even a part of this thread and would give it to both Bowser and Ganon without much effort but since the thread is "Bowser vs Ganon" we have to stay on-topic and say who would give it to who between Bowser and Ganon, and it depends.

Ganon even without the Triforce has better feats than Bowser at his base level.

I don't know, he was a powerful wizzard even before gaining his Triforce, but was he able to leap a 500 feet into the air and shake Battle Grounds and cause Shockwaves like Bowser, and he wasn't getting hurt by Mario's punches and instead, Mario hurt himself, and Mario had to toss him into 3 Exploding Spike Bombs to totally beat him. He even survives things that would normally kill someone else, like Blowing Up, Falling into an Endless Pit of Lava, a Black Hole, etc, all the time despite a few Punches being able to damage him properly, but Mario and Luigi could easily throw Bowser around like a rag doll so that's perfectly understandable. Ganon has shown higher level feats, but only with his Triforce Piece. Ganon took a Master Sword to the hand? What a joke! Of course he's not gonna die because he's not hit in a more vital area like when Link kills him in Twilight Princess.

But there are Artifacts in the Marioverse as well (just not as powerful as the full Triforce [Omnipotence ftw]), and if Bowser gets the Star Rod, it's level, because neither can kill the other, and ultimately, it's a stalemate as explained earlier.

Overall, it depends. Does Bowser go empty handed while Ganon gets his usual Triforce Piece, or does Bowser get something too, or is it just hand-to-hand?

I meant head. He took it to the head in Windwaker without the Triforce.

Link never killed him in TP. We have no idea what happened to him.

O RLY? Bowser with the Star Rod ever resisted a soul attack? Can Bowser travel through dimensions?

And the Triforce of Power is part of Ganon's basic powerset, Star Rod is not part of Bowser's.

If it is H2H, Ganon dominates. He is faster, stronger(unless this is 50 foot Bowser), and he is shown to literally disintegrate a Sage with a punch.

Actually Link did kill Ganondorf in TP he stabed him in his chest
Ganondorf would win with his sword of goddesses and his move in the zelda games and super smash bros games yeah ganondorf would win
the green ginger man would win

Oh, head.... Never mind what I said then.

As for Link killing (or not) Ganondorf, yeah, we don't know what happened, but then Ganondorf loses his Triforce Symbol, and Zant clearly snaps his own neck. We don't see him after this so he may or may not be dead. He might escape death again like he always does though if he did die.

Bowser with the Star Rod can resist all but the combine efforts of the Star Spirits nullifying his invulnerability so why not soul attacks. And he can grant himself wishes so he could most likely travel through Dimensions easily.

And I don't see what's so wrong with Bowser getting the Rod just because it's not part of Bowser's basic powerset and the Triforce of Power is part of Ganondorfs basic powerset, and this has nothing to do with the fact that they're both still Artifacts/Items helpful for combat. The Rod is his basic powerset in Paper Mario, just not in any of the other games.

And, clearly, Mario/Luigi is physically stronger than Link if he can throw Bowser high into the air and like 100 feat away. [Answer to ESB-1138 seeing Link to be physically stronger than Mario/Luigi]

Hand-To-Hand, Ganon is faster (unless Bowser is anything like he is in Super Mario 64) but I can't say stronger. But then that part where he wipes out a Sage with a punch, that's lethal. I hope he can hit Bowser with that before getting Burned by Bowser's Trademark Fire Breath though. And without the Triforce to protect him since it's hand-to-hand (if it is), he can't keep from being phased by that attack anymore. It won't kill him any time soon or anything, but he can hit him from afar for a while.

Mario Luigi can't beat Link cause Luigi is always scared and afraid and Link can lift bowser with his power gloves with one hand

Again, these are Items and if he can get some, why not the Koopa King?

I do find it hard to believe that the Ganondorf from Brawl can beat the Bowser from Brawl or anyone else because he was like the worst in the Brawl; even Kirby could just Inhale him and jump off the stage and spit him out underneath the stage and fly back up. Ganondorf is far more powerful in the Zelda Games than in the Smash Series, just like almost everyone else.

Didn't Ganon die in TP? It was stated that Zant wouldn't die unless his master did too. So by showing Zant dying in that scene it implies that Ganon had died.

The difference between link and ganondorf that link can fight with a sword and ganondoft can fight with or without

Originally posted by Dark Shenron
Oh, head.... Never mind what I said then.

As for Link killing (or not) Ganondorf, yeah, we don't know what happened, but then Ganondorf loses his Triforce Symbol, and Zant clearly snaps his own neck. We don't see him after this so he may or may not be dead. He might escape death again like he always does though if he did die.

Bowser with the Star Rod can resist all but the combine efforts of the Star Spirits nullifying his invulnerability so why not soul attacks. And he can grant himself wishes so he could most likely travel through Dimensions easily.

And I don't see what's so wrong with Bowser getting the Rod just because it's not part of Bowser's basic powerset and the Triforce of Power is part of Ganondorfs basic powerset, and this has nothing to do with the fact that they're both still Artifacts/Items helpful for combat. The Rod is his basic powerset in Paper Mario, just not in any of the other games.

And, clearly, Mario/Luigi is physically stronger than Link if he can throw Bowser high into the air and like 100 feat away. [Answer to ESB-1138 seeing Link to be physically stronger than Mario/Luigi]

Hand-To-Hand, Ganon is faster (unless Bowser is anything like he is in Super Mario 64) but I can't say stronger. But then that part where he wipes out a Sage with a punch, that's lethal. I hope he can hit Bowser with that before getting Burned by Bowser's Trademark Fire Breath though. And without the Triforce to protect him since it's hand-to-hand (if it is), he can't keep from being phased by that attack anymore. It won't kill him any time soon or anything, but he can hit him from afar for a while.

2. Because he has never shown to be able to do it. Soul attacks are on a whole other plane of reality than physical.

3. The Triforce of Power is literally a part of Ganon, it is part of his basic powerset, should I give Ryu Hayabusa the Dark Dragon Blade in threads? Or should I give Tifa the Masamune cause she used it once? No, I'm not giving him the rod.

4. Link tossed something bigger than Bowser into magma in Twilight Princess.

5. Why not stronger? Cause you say so? What strength feats does Bowser actually HAVE? Ganon in OoT while near death leaped from under the weight of his castle(not the whole thing, but a good portion). Ganon by feats is stronger.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

Should I give Ryu Hayabusa the Dark Dragon Blade in threads? Or should I give Tifa the Masamune cause she used it once?

Ryu Hayabusa and Tifa aren't exactly a part of this thread but, whatever.

Well then there's nothing Bowser can do. In that case, Ganondorf has the advantage and wins by that default setting.

Just for funzies I will lower Ganon's durability to base level for you. 🙂