Originally posted by Robtard
He played an arrogrant and cowardly jerk, which is a common theme for an antagonist in love stories.
And that's another thing. Many narratives make out how the antagonist is an utter coward; but if they are absolute cowards, they wouldn't dare oppose the protagonist or break the law, would they?
do you mean angelus as he was before he got his soul or when he came back in season 2? i agree that before he got his soul he was a great villan, really evil with no concience and a thirst for madness and mayhem, but when he came back he was a little nuts and obsessive, and tried to destroy the world! i believe that true villans are the ones that do not want to destroy the world but to either rule it or to cause as much trouble in it as possable. any villan who wants to destroy the world just wants to die themselves and thinks that it would be great to take everyone with him, thats not villany thats stupidity!
villans are notoriously arrogant and wish people to bow before them. no-one is going to be able to do that if they are not here
Originally posted by midnightshadow
do you mean angelus as he was before he got his soul or when he came back in season 2? i agree that before he got his soul he was a great villan, really evil with no concience and a thirst for madness and mayhem, but when he came back he was a little nuts and obsessive, and tried to destroy the world! i believe that true villans are the ones that do not want to destroy the world but to either rule it or to cause as much trouble in it as possable. any villan who wants to destroy the world just wants to die themselves and thinks that it would be great to take everyone with him, thats not villany thats stupidity!villans are notoriously arrogant and wish people to bow before them. no-one is going to be able to do that if they are not here
Angelus in all aspects is an amazing villain. The only reason he attemped to unleash Acathla on the world and thus bring about the apocalypse is because that was the culmination of all his attempts to torture Buffy; his logic was "what better way to destroy Buffy (a compassionate, kind woman who loved her friends and family) than to destroy the world she fought so hard to protect?". His stalking of Buffy was simply chilling, killing Willow's goldfish to torment her, sneaking into Buffy's house and leaving her portraits (reminding her that he could have killed her in her sleep, but chose not to), and of course his brutal execution of Jenny Calender [and then leaving her body in Giles' house, making it look like they were going to make love when he came home that evening]. Sadism at its finest. And then, of course, there's that whole thing in S4 of Angel where he totally mindscrews with the entire team... from inside a cage.
Originally posted by Gideon
Angelus in all aspects is an amazing villain. The only reason he attemped to unleash Acathla on the world and thus bring about the apocalypse is because that was the culmination of all his attempts to torture Buffy; his logic was "what better way to destroy Buffy (a compassionate, kind woman who loved her friends and family) than to destroy the world she fought so hard to protect?". His stalking of Buffy was simply chilling, killing Willow's goldfish to torment her, sneaking into Buffy's house and leaving her portraits (reminding her that he could have killed her in her sleep, but chose not to), and of course his brutal execution of Jenny Calender [and then leaving her body in Giles' house, making it look like they were going to make love when he came home that evening]. Sadism at its finest. And then, of course, there's that whole thing in S4 of Angel where he totally mindscrews with the entire team... from inside a cage.
Yeah, Whedon explained Angelus evilness quite well in Angel. His fascination with elaborate schemes of torture in particular.
i think it depends in what context you are looking at, what makes a good villain for me is complexity in that they have multiple layers, they have real goals and desires, so you can identify with them a good villain should be able to inflict different emotions to the audience and make you think, they need to have there own will there own style and thoughts, a smart villain is always one to do this, however i think a villain should be well established to the case of the story, so if it's about planets being concerned the story should give hints or history to the villain before they are introduced and on that case i believe a villain should not be forced into a story just for the sake of them being there, his or her inclusion should flow well and have an impact with the story.
And on a last note i believe another good class of villain is a tragic villain these villains always make you think and at the end you are sad to see they have failed, they always manage to challenge your morals.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Villains based on real life people can be very freaky.A good example would be Ralph Fiennes character in Schindler's List.
Even to this day...that character sickens me.
Yeah, Whedon explained Angelus evilness quite well in Angel. His fascination with elaborate schemes of torture in particular.
Amen.
It doesn't get worse than Nazis in real life. Ralph Fiennes as Amon Goeth was just chilling. A true spectacle of tortured, conflicted sadism. One of my favorite villains.