well first of all frieza at 100% was 12000000 and goku using kiaken x20 was about the same so ssj goku was like kiaken x40 probably more as for the fights pan would most likely lose despite her strenght and im pretty sure trunks n goten r stronger than 18 theyre just very cocky which would cost them some serious trouble but with fusion and ssj3 they would win hands down but in the tournament they where even
Originally posted by big juggy man
Dragonball power levels are hilarious. I thought the same thing. How could Vegita who was in his late 20s only get to 22,000 in all of those years but in a few days increase his power to over a million. The same thing goes for Goku.
Part of it is fighting to the limit against stronger foes. You grow more when pushed to the edge by someone more powerful than you, than you do fighting weaker opponents.
Part of it is raw plot convenience ^^
no O99 buddy dragon ball is just stupid. If injurying yourself and then healing made you that much stronger why didnt any other character do it. Apparently King Vegeta was to stupid to realize that. Hurting yourself gets your powerlevel from 22000 to over a million in a few days.
I think Akira was just getting tired of the series and just wanted itt to end
then healing made you that much stronger why didnt any other character do it.
They did. I mean, it was mentioned Bardock was reduced to near death multiple times in past missions.
Plus, like I said, plot convenience. Sometimes it gives only a tiny bit of power, sometimes massive boosts. The amount being either arbitrary, or based on what they've been fighting.
Does that make sense Q99? Because you get hurt fighting a stronger opponent you will become stronger. What does their power have to do with your power jumping up so high.
Most japanese anime and manga storylines and plots are pretty stupid compared to american comics. Even though DC and Marvel contradict themselves you can blame it on different writers for the most part.
Gohan in Dragoball Z said Cyborg Freeza felt alot weaker than on Namek Vegita said he felt far more powerful. Some characters said King Cold felt just as powerful as Freeza and others said he felt alot more powerful all in the same episode.
Clearly Super Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because he broke his arm with a weak attack ment to kill Vegito but yet they show Gohan Stronger.
Does that make sense Q99? Because you get hurt fighting a stronger opponent you will become stronger. What does their power have to do with your power jumping up so high.
Because it means you've had fighting experience at a much higher level too, and that fighting experience helps the rate of growth.
Re: 5-year old Pan vs Freeza (100%)
Originally posted by AstnerGive Frieza more credit than that, Pan might have been incredibly strong for her age but I doubt she's quite that strong, at least frieza is alot more intelligent and experienced and their power levels won't be so far apart that Frieza couldn't kill her in one move. Pan might be stronger but she is still a 4 year old (that's right your ages for these kids is one year too old trunks was 8 and goten was 7).
We all know that mightymask (Goten and Trunks) in their base, restricted by eachother's motoric fought C18 a standstill (or close enough.) Trunks were 9 and Goten were 8, each more powerful than C18, who was more powerful than the combinded forces of the Z-fighters after have trained 3 years after Freeza saga.Goten = C18 > Ssj Vegeta and Ssj Mirai Trunks > Ssj Goku > Freeza (100%)
Now, it suprized me that 5 year old Pan lapped the world to what Goku considered "pretty fast." Then I though of Freeza, whom on Namek wasn't as fast (it took a long time for him to get back to his ship.)
So who'd win Pan or Freeza?