I can definitely see someone like Revan taking Kenobi out with the Force early on. If that happens, Yoda gets double-teamed and most likely dies.
Edit: However, we have to keep in mind that, as KotOR characters with little factual evidence filling out their combat capabilities, Revan and Malak are virtual unknowns, and should be treated as such.
sword wise the kotor guys are sorely outclassed many thanks to yoda who stalemated with siddious
saberwise the kotor team is sorely outclassed many thanks to obi wan's impecible relfexes, and yoda's agility.
obi wan could keep up with anakin who was on revan and the exile's level so i dont see him being a hinderance in the duel.
i see the rots jedi taking this hands down
Originally posted by Man of Christ
sword wise the kotor guys are sorely outclassed many thanks to yoda who stalemated with siddioussaberwise the kotor team is sorely outclassed many thanks to obi wan's impecible relfexes, and yoda's agility.
obi wan could keep up with anakin who was on revan and the exile's level so i dont see him being a hinderance in the duel.
i see the rots jedi taking this hands down
Obiwan keeping up with Anakin has no relevance to this fight since Obiwan trained Anakin and knew him intimately.
knew him intimitaly... even knowing exactly what you mean that one still makes me snicker.... Obi-Wan could defeat Malak. What did Malak ever do with a lightsaber that gives you the idea he could beat Kenobi? Yoda would beat Revan, so the Jedi take this one. Why is everyone assuming that Revan would be the one fighting Obi-Wan at the beginning?
Originally posted by truejediBecause Revan's the type to spot the weak link and take it out first, maybe?
knew him intimitaly... even knowing exactly what you mean that one still makes me snicker.... Obi-Wan could defeat Malak. What did Malak ever do with a lightsaber that gives you the idea he could beat Kenobi? Yoda would beat Revan, so the Jedi take this one. Why is everyone assuming that Revan would be the one fighting Obi-Wan at the beginning?
It depends on the way the fight progresses; if, say, Revan and Malak engage Obi and Yoda in saber combat, Obi/Yoda can win. And while Yoda's force abilities are uniquely formidable- indeed, he was called the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known', and as Revan is stronger as a Jedi than as a Sith- by Malak's own admission- then Yoda is more powerful than Revan, and considerably more powerful than Malak, as Revan is proven to be Malak's superior. On the other hand, our favorite General Kenobi hadn't displayed any particularly impressive feats with the force and would be crushed by either of these opponents. Unless he can force push them to death, he's not gonna do any damage, causing him to be a non-factor in a force fight. Yoda can't take own Malak and Revan together- he gets pwned.
Then again, you have the saber match, which is actually more likely to initiate. While Revan's form of fighting is generally unknown, Malak, based on quotes and his in-game representation, appears to focus on saber combat. For example; in the final duel with him aboard the Star Forge, you will note that if you distance yourself from him, he will use a force jump to get to you as quickly as possible. In the game, a force jump is exclusive to Jedi Guardians, and Jedi Guardians focus on lightsaber skills. And before you dismiss such a thing as 'gameplay mechanics', note that when you fight Traya at the end of KotOR 2, she can't use this same technique. When you play as her, she's a Consular and focuses on her force powers. This, at least, seems to indicate that Malak prefers close-ranged combat. And since he's not known to be any good in it, at least not when he's facing someone of Yoda or Obi-Wan's caliber, he gets pwned when he engages Obi-Wan in combat. And however you might like to put it, Yoda can defeat Revan in combat.
Even if Revan engages Obi-Wan and Yoda engages Malak, think of it that Obi-Wan will be able to, at least, last long enough against Revan for Yoda to pwn the crap out of Malak. Revan will promptly get WTFpwned by Obi and Yoda.
For the all out, remember, there's a possibility Obi-Wan can block Revan's force attacks long enough for Yoda to help him out. He did just fine against Dooku's lightning- and while Dooku is no Revan in terms of force abilities (the latter, however, applies to saber abilities), Obi-Wan could stand long enough against Revan for Yoda to help him out.
All in all, I'd say Obi/Yoda are more probable to take this; if Malak and Revan take it, they'll do it with extreme difficulty. And note that Obi-Wan isn't the weakest link here in terms of saber skills- Malak is. Yoda can obliterate him in saber combat, and Obi-Wan can defeat him with some difficulty; Revan is the only real threat to the team in saber combat, and even so, I'm inclinded to say that Obi-Wan's 20 strikes per second or Yoda's 'whirlwind of destruction' will defeat him.
Revan and Malak will win even if its not Revan beats Obi and Malak + Revan on Yoda.Yoda is just the strongest Jedi of that time.It says that in the movie.He is not the strongest ever.And if you think like that ... Obi could beat them alone ... as he beated Anakin and we know he had the most of the midi-chlorians.Yet,Revan was the strongest Sith and the Jedi of that time.Making many Jedi fall to the Darkside.And Revan had such knowledge.He had seen Light and the Darkside and mastered both of them(ex-Jedi Knight ex-Dark Lord of the Sith).So he knew weaknesses of Obi and Yoda.
So I choose Revan.He is unbelievable...When I grow up I want to be a like Revan...
Originally posted by erdem2706
Revan and Malak will win even if its not Revan beats Obi and Malak + Revan on Yoda.Yoda is just the strongest Jedi of that time.It says that in the movie.He is not the strongest ever.And if you think like that ... Obi could beat them alone ... as he beated Anakin and we know he had the most of the midi-chlorians.Yet,Revan was the strongest Sith and the Jedi of that time.Making many Jedi fall to the Darkside.And Revan had such knowledge.He had seen Light and the Darkside and mastered both of them(ex-Jedi Knight ex-Dark Lord of the Sith).So he knew weaknesses of Obi and Yoda.
So I choose Revan.He is unbelievable...When I grow up I want to be a like Revan...
*Ahem*, so you want to be a personality-less, random Sith Lord who can use force lightning and then turn back to the light side, and show us all how blatantly perfect he is? Clearly, my friend, you're deluded.
To quote from the RotS novel; "The most devastating foe the darkness had ever known", referring to Yoda, in his duel with Sidious in the Senate Arena. The rest of that quote explains why he couldn't defeat Sidious, but that doesn't really matter. Only the fact is; according to canon, Revan is lightsider. According to Malak, he's more powerful as a lightsider. According to the word of the omniscent narrator of the RotS novel, Yoda is the most powerful foe of the darkness- in other words, all people who fight against the dark side, Jedi included- which puts him above Revan.
I'd love for you to prove why Yoda can't WTFpwn Malak in saber combat, why Revan can defeat Obi-Wan in lightsaber combat, and the likes. He clearly had extensive knwoledge of the force, but of lightsaber combat? He could've been, for all we know, a person who couldn't use the lightsaber to save his life and snuck up everywhere or used the force to decimate the opposition. Not saying it's true- it's probably far from the truth- but then again, you have a person virtually unknown in terms of lightsaber skills facing probably the greatest masters of Ataru and Soresu in history. Among them is a person who is stated to be, by a blanket statement, above Revan's most powerful incarnation.
Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
I'd love for you to prove why Yoda can't WTFpwn Malak in saber combat,
I don't disagree with the assertion that Yoda would defeat Malak, but you definitely can't say it with any certainty considering the lack of detailed information we have on his combat capabilities. What we do know, however, points to them being formidable.
Originally posted by Faunus
You need to understand the concept of the burden of proof. You made the claim, so you must either support it or drop it - the opposition never has to prove a negative. The fact that you love to use terms such as "WTFpwn" and "far above [...]" when their usage is completely unwarranted just encourages people to not take you seriously.I don't disagree with the assertion that Yoda would defeat Malak, but you definitely can't say it with any certainty considering the lack of detailed information we have on his combat capabilities. What we do know, however, points to them being formidable.
Okay. Right then, I'll display to you why I think Yoda should be able to defeat Malak with relative ease. You'll have to forgive my "Wtfpwn". It's my figure of speech, but I'll try to change it.
Malak- when his power was evidently magnified by the force of the Star Forge, was defeated by Revan, who had no such benefit from that power. Now then, you have the fact that Malak, on this battlefield, is not empowered in any sort of way. Or is he? And according to Malak, Revan was stronger as a Jedi than he is as a Sith.
And there you have the fact that Revan is quite unlikely to be at his 'peak' by the point of his battle with Malak; he's quite young, and he most likely still has some strength to attain.
And there you have it that Yoda is put above Revan by a clear blanket statement. And if a Revan who is probably not at his peak can defeat a superpowered Malak, imagine what Yoda would do to a regular Malak.
Originally posted by Faunus
What we do know, however, points to them being formidable.
Formidable? Certainly, yet the reformed Darth Revan was capable of defeating Darth Malak in personal combat despite the fact that his former apprentice's powers were greatly enhanced by the Star Forge and that he was constantly rejuvenated via the captive Force sensitives, and the fact that Revan himself had just battled legions of the station's defenses, correct? The same Revan who, in the end, was a Jedi (and according to Malak "more powerful" than when he was the Dark Lord of the Sith); the omniscient narrator of Revenge of the Sith states that Yoda is the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known -- capable of stalemating the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith in history in single combat -- and overcoming Count Dooku ("one of the most powerful and respected Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history" and "an even greater Lord of the Sith" according to the omniscient narrator of that same novelization) on Vjun, a planet that greatly enhanced the Count's prowess with the Force.
I'm afraid, Faunus, that there's little suggesting that Malak is nothing but cannon fodder for Yoda.