Wolverine (finally! The Revamped Respect Thread!)
Okay, this thread has been a LONG LONG LOH-HONG time in the making. I'm sorry for the year long wait to everyone who wanted this out way back when but at least we've finally got things together now.
I'd like to personally thank Srankmissingnin for a large number of scans that he contributed (sorry I didn't accredit all of them to you Srank; got lazy).
And to Soljer for being relentlessly on our asses about finishing this damned thing.
Finally I would like to thank the handful of people who were reasonable enough posters on this site over the last 3/4 years tha actually read our arguments and explanations for Wolverine, and dedicate this thread to all Wolvie's fans and my friends here, this board has definitely gone through a major change in how this character is viewed nowadays and that wouldn't have been possible without you.
So without further delay, let's begin:
First off we're going to start with a few explanations of things concerning Wolverine's character.
A solid Wolverine hater once PMed me trying to get me to eplain certain aspects about Wolverine. Once the conversation was finished he found that he no longer hated the character and requested that I put this at the head of the new thread. So here it is:
Originally posted by Solar
I know you have a Respect Thread coming, I saw that earlier. But It will involve most of his career (Probably) and not everyone will look through it.
I also know how everyone hates Wolverine and its fans, but I have been convince a few times by you, reading over old debates etc.
So I know its not impossible for me to be completely convinced Wolverine isn't the worst written character today. (Apart from Black Panther ) So I was thinking maybe you should make a topic with the sole purpose of convincing everyone of that. Stuff like how he can heal much better than before. I saw you post proof that his HF has improved, before that I didn't know about that scan. So I assume you have lots of other evidence to show all the little details of why everyone hates Wolverine. It sounds similar to the RT but this different because your addressing the hate. I look forward to your reply.
To be entirely honest I'm making this thread far more for the Wolverine fans (the measily half dozen of us out there) rather than the haters...
I do of course hope the haters go to the thread and check it out at least a bit so they know more about the character, but if they don't, it really doesn't matter to me.
The fact of the matter is that people will only BELIEVE what they want to believe.
Take Namor for instance. It's the generally accepted concensus that Wolverine will lose to Namor in a straight fight.
Some of the reasons being that he's too fast or strong for Wolverine to handle;
Yet comic book panels tell a different story.
In all of their fights, Namor has been hit (with the exception of one encounter where Wolverine pulled back on Namor's acount).
In all of their fights Wolverine has whethered his blows.
So far the only person with plot devices in their favor has been Namor (using a tree, using an i-beam, having teams to back him up, having water to retreat to, taking on Wolverine while Wolverine's under the influence of mind control, taking on Wolverine after his healing factor's been taxed out, and getting multiple sucker punches on Logan throughout their fights).
Yet people claim that Wolverine has to get lucky to even land one shot.
Namor's admitted he can't legitimately take down Wolverine (who's not being mind controlled) yet people claim that Wolverine beating Namor is a joke...
Wolverine has taken on enough bricks enough times to earn him the rightful name of the antibrick, yet people ALWAYS say "such and such is too strong" as if Wolverine can't take punishment from bricks. As if he hasn't been doing it since day one.
Every piece of conceivable evidence says that Namor is going to lose that fight, yet no matter how much logic, proof, or reasoning I can give to people to try and convince them of this, if they don't want to believe it they simply won't. They'll easily write off what they don't like as "PIS"; and then we just end up with more ignorant posts like"Namor one shotted Wolverine". Which has never happened but it's still being posted to this day.
No, an entire thread dedicated to rid Wolverine hate will only (I think) end up backfiring. It will bring many people who disagree and worse people who will come to argue just for the sake of arguing.
I'll leave the arguing to the vs. forums, and I'll just stick to making the Wolverine Respect Thread...
However, should it pique your interest, there IS going to be a section in the thread that will be dedicated to clear up some of his various characteristics and questions about the character. It's not a large section, just a few nicknack scans to detail out some facts.
Other than that I'm just going to post the thread and let whomever looks at it come to their own conclusions.
As it's been said, a pictures worth more than a thousand words.
Originally posted by Solar
That reply my friend his earned you allot of respect.
I will name my problems with Wolverine:*The fact that he isn't knocked out after punches from heavy hitters. (I expect you can convince me that it should happen, I hope so)
*His Inconsistency with how he takes blows. (He takes 5 punches from Hulk and is not knocked out but one quick punch from behind from Namor knocks him out)
*The death thing doesn't really bother me but I would prepare it not happening, takes away his coolness. (The need to not worry and wonder how he will make it can be boring)
*The fanboys, not all, I just can't stand how obsessive they are, but its not just Wolverines its every character with fanboys, Apoc fans drives me nuts lol)
*The fact that Marvel can't decide on his powerset, if they gave a logical reason why hes that powerful. But super speed and strength have never been listened as being one of his traits, only in his different writers who have him doing things that don't match the other ones.
There's probably more but I can't think right now.
Maybe you can clear some of my problems up, if anyone can its you.
Oh about that believing bit, thats not always true, I wanted to believe it was bullshit that Wolverine heals like he does but you showed me and now I believe the truth. Have faith.