Freddy Krueger vs. Neo

Originally posted by Impediment
Negative.

Freddy is not a product of the Matrix.

Freddy is a supernatural force.

The Matrix is artificially made.

These are my rules. I make them up.

Freddy exists before the Matrix is ever online.

I use this shit because I am that good. 131

That's very, VERY pretty, but unfortunately being a mod of KMC does not make you able to alter the canonical abilities of either Freddy Krueger or Neo.

If Krueger is a supernatural force in the Matrix, then he's a glitch in the Matrix, and Neo controls him, because Neo controls the Matrix.

Unless you using this "shit" is just a way of saying you want Neo to be in a fight where you take away every advantage he has, if not ignoring how effective they are, because you happen to want him to lose, as well as liking Freddy more, then it's really irrelevant. You're not that "good", you're that biased.

It's just not gonna happen, sorry to say.

Your mod powers don't stretch this far, homeboy.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's very, VERY pretty, but unfortunately being a mod of KMC does not make you able to alter the canonical abilities of either Freddy Krueger or Neo.

If Krueger is a supernatural force in the Matrix, then he's a glitch in the Matrix, and Neo controls him, because Neo controls the Matrix.

Unless you using this "shit" is just a way of saying you want Neo to be in a fight where you take away every advantage he has, if not ignoring how effective they are, because you happen to want him to lose, as well as liking Freddy more, then it's really irrelevant. You're not that "good", you're that biased.

It's just not gonna happen, sorry to say.

Your mod powers don't stretch this far, homeboy.

-AC

Me being a mod has shit to do with this thread. I closed the Neo vs. Luke thread because it went from a debate into a bash fest.

I am not altering a damn thing when it comes to the powers of said combatants.

Krueger is a supernatural force. And, yes, he is in the Matrix. Alas, he is in the DREAMS of Neo. Ergo, Freddy has every bit as much power as Neo.

As for being "biased", instead of taking the red or blue pill, take a chill pill. You're taking the aspects of this thread WAAAAAAY too seriously.

My mod powers have shit to do with this.

I'm trying to have some fun. You're peeing in everyone Cheerio's.

BTW, I tried laying down for bed.

I'm not tired just yet.

Originally posted by Impediment
Me being a mod has shit to do with this thread. I closed the Neo vs. Luke thread because it went from a debate into a bash fest.

I am not altering a damn thing when it comes to the powers of said combatants.

Krueger is a supernatural force. And, yes, he is in the Matrix. Alas, he is in the DREAMS of Neo. Ergo, Freddy has every bit as much power as Neo.

As for being "biased", instead of taking the red or blue pill, take a chill pill. You're taking the aspects of this thread WAAAAAAY too seriously.

My mod powers have shit to do with this.

I'm trying to have some fun. You're peeing in everyone Cheerio's.

peeing in cheerios?! 🤨 lol

Originally posted by Impediment
Me being a mod has shit to do with this thread. I closed the Neo vs. Luke thread because it went from a debate into a bash fest.

I am not altering a damn thing when it comes to the powers of said combatants.

Krueger is a supernatural force. And, yes, he is in the Matrix. Alas, he is in the DREAMS of Neo. Ergo, Freddy has every bit as much power as Neo.

Not really, since he is still in The Matrix. If he did it in the real world, where Neo sleeps, then yes. He doesn't need sleep in The Matrix now. So, pretty much a dead fight.

Originally posted by Impediment
As for being "biased", instead of taking the red or blue pill, take a chill pill. You're taking the aspects of this thread WAAAAAAY too seriously.

My mod powers have shit to do with this.

I'm trying to have some fun. You're peeing in everyone Cheerio's.

A) Quite a good one, the pill thing. I can take jabs when they're potent, haha.

B) I love Vs fights, but I think people need to stop using Neo/Matrix, cos it's ridiculous as a stipulation.

-AC

Ooooooooooooooooooooh, this one's a toughie. Umm, damn. This isn't exactly simple minded crap like "the force" this is dreamscape shit we're talkin' about. Umm, I'll have to do research on Freddie, but from what I can decide at the moment, it'll probably end up a draw or I'm not really sure for that matter. Hmm. Haha, this one's great.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) Quite a good one, the pill thing. I can take jabs when they're potent, haha.

B) I love Vs fights, but I think people need to stop using Neo/Matrix, cos it's ridiculous as a stipulation.

-AC

You know I try.

So, ultimately, you're saying that Neo is, essentially, unbeatable whilst in the Matrix? No matter who he fights?

Originally posted by Impediment
You need to remember:

Neo is in the Matrix. He falls asleep in the Matrix. Freddy invades Neo's dreams while in the Matrix.

Both characters have the "homefield advantage".

I made this thread with that specifically in mind.

To answer your questions:

1) Maybe. But, couldn't Freddy alter Neo just as well?

2) Freddy has, also, produced numerous clones of himself throughout his movies. Is a Freddy clone just as powerful as an Agent Smith clone?

Now, that's what I think AC said, and I get what he is coming from, it's just that what was said in the Movies and what we saw happening in the movies wasn't always quite the same.

Originally posted by Impediment
You know I try.

So, ultimately, you're saying that Neo is, essentially, unbeatable whilst in the Matrix? No matter who he fights?

Remember when he was trapped at the train station? It was essentially someone else's world he entered, therefore the train-man had control.

Exactly.

This isn't like that, though, this is Freddy in his "world" in the Matrix. Neo doesn't even sleep in the Matrix.

-AC

Originally posted by Impediment
Freddy is a supernatural force that invades the bodies of those in the Matrix, or those that have been "awoken" from the grasp of the Matrix. Even in the humans that are "grown" in the fields and sleep through their whole lives. The machines are unaware of his presence.

The Matrix is a dream of death, the human's intellegence isn't tricked, his mind his tricked, his body is tricked, the mind thinks it's in survival mode.

The only time Freddy can invade someone in the Matrix is when they actually are asleep, just like when their out.

neo easily, even regular humans have managed to battle freddy in his realm by coming to their senses, thats basically what the matrix is for neo, essentially if neo were to fight freddy in his world, once he got past the nightmares he would become more powerful then hes ever been

Neo wins easily. Pretty much anyone can manipulate a dream since it's just a part of your imagination and even the teens in the Nightmare films manage to pull it off and give themselves powers.

The Matrix on the other hand is a virtual reality world with rules and restraint. The Zion fighters have trained extensively, but are still limited because they can only bend those rules, but not break them. Neo however possesses the powers of the One that enables him to break those rules. The powers of the One and it's counterpart were so great that they were beginning to bridge the gap between the Matrix and the real world. Like how Neo managed to destroy all those machines when he and Trinity were entering the Machine City and how Smith manage to take control of Bane in the real world.

I got Neo winning here not as easily as some would think but still he would win none the less. All that stuff you say Freddy could "do" in his dream world we havent seen him do because we're going off movie feats. Neo literally pretty much altered code as he saw fit. Freddy's altered code that he "saw" fit was make something a dead end for a teenager or got lucky and found out Jasons a puss when it comes to water so the fire sprinklers turned on. Where Neo has moved faster than bullets Freddy well has not. Keep in mind besides Jason, Freddy has faught Kids and women. Not to knock kids or women but htey arent shit compared to Neo. Neo is a freak in the matrix. He would tear Freddys head off and then kill him again to make sure hes dead. I think Freddy's fast and skilled, but Neo is just faster. And unlike Freddy Neo has no weakness.

Originally posted by Scythe
Ooooooooooooooooooooh, this one's a toughie. Umm, damn. This isn't exactly simple minded crap like "the force" this is dreamscape shit we're talkin' about. Umm, I'll have to do research on Freddie, but from what I can decide at the moment, it'll probably end up a draw or I'm not really sure for that matter. Hmm. Haha, this one's great.

Why is The Force simplistic? It's clearly laid out that it is an omnipotent energy that potentially can make you invincible. Yoda said this, to words of effect, in Empire.

As for the fight at hand, Freddy is NOT in the Matrix when he is attacking Neo. He is in the Dreamscape which exists on a plane above the existence of the Matrix. HOWEVER, Freddy has never dealt with anyone remotely competent or intelligent and still lets himself get beat. So you might say he's the horror version of Thanos, unstoppable but ultimately self defeating.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Why is The Force simplistic? It's clearly laid out that it is an omnipotent energy that potentially can make you invincible. Yoda said this, to words of effect, in Empire.

As for the fight at hand, Freddy is NOT in the Matrix when he is attacking Neo. He is in the Dreamscape which exists on a plane above the existence of the Matrix. HOWEVER, Freddy has never dealt with anyone remotely competent or intelligent and still lets himself get beat. So you might say he's the horror version of Thanos, unstoppable but ultimately self defeating.

Haha, I didn't mean it was overall simplistic, I just meant it's a simple idea in the fact that it either exists within the Matrix or it doesn't.