Team Pre-Crisis Vs Marvel Earth's villains

Originally posted by Space M ummy
yeah, mjj is pretty much unbeatable by anything other than a plot device. What is Prime going to do to MJJ? punch him? 😆 😆

as for molecule man:

A blast that would have obliterated several [b]billion entire dimensions is a bit beyond the damage soak of this team.

Zemo with the moonstones would also do some pretty heavy damage to this list also, I think. [/B]

MM stating this is proof?

No one can defeat MJJ on that list

Originally posted by tsscls
Yeah, he might punch him. His punches warp reality. Darkseid can also handle MJJ on his own. See TGDS. I'm just saying if you're counting on MJJ to solo this team, count again.

Originally posted by tsscls
MM stating this is proof?

that's not MM stating that. That's the BEYONDER stating that.

considering there are other scans of MM during secret wars repairing the entire multiverse by wiggling his finger, and willing stars and galaxies into being without effort, there's no reason to assume beyonder was lying here.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
that's not MM stating that. That's the BEYONDER stating that.

considering there are other scans of MM during secret wars repairing the entire multiverse by wiggling his finger, and willing stars and galaxies into being without effort, there's no reason to assume beyonder was lying here.

Is this the same Beyonder who was ret-conned into being a wet paper bag?

Originally posted by tsscls
Is this the same Beyonder who was ret-conned into being a wet paper bag?

Man, you really have no concept of marvel characters, history, or continuity.

Beyonder got himself retconned down to cube being level, and SOME of his higher feats (like confronting the celestials or killing death) were retconned into being illusions placed within his mind.

Even so, even an incomplete cosmic cube is still far, far above the power level of everyone on that list.

Molecule man's power level was NEVER retconned by marvel- all of his feats are still in continutity, since he wasn't the one being "tested."

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Man, you really have no concept of marvel characters, history, or continuity.

Beyonder got himself retconned down to cube being level, and SOME of his higher feats (like confronting the celestials or killing death) were retconned into being illusions placed within his mind.

Even so, even an incomplete cosmic cube is still far, far above the power level of everyone on that list.

Molecule man's power level was NEVER retconned by marvel- all of his feats are still in continutity, since he wasn't the one being "tested."

Well, MM was completely outclassed by Beyonder, so if Beyonder's power levels were ret-conned, then wouldn't MM's be proactively?

And further, which ret-con are you talking about, where he was a cube, or an inhuman?

Originally posted by tsscls
Yeah, he might punch him. His punches warp reality. Darkseid can also handle MJJ on his own. See TGDS. I'm just saying if you're counting on MJJ to solo this team, count again.

Originally posted by tsscls
Well, MM was completely outclassed by Beyonder, so if Beyonder's power levels were ret-conned, then wouldn't MM's be proactively?

no, because if we look at FEATS, only specific FEATS of beyonders were retconned- those in which he fought and defeated abstracts. in that case illusions were put into his mind to "test" him.

so, with a few exceptions, just about everything (minus specific confrontations with the MU abstracts) that occurred during secret wars still took place- It's just been established that the power of the abstracts (and full cube beings) is even HIGHER.

At no point was it ever stated by marvel that the higher end feats of owen reece never occurred. In fact, there's on panel scans of the LT referring to the power of POST retcon molecule man as "practically infinite."

And the retcon I'm referring to is the one where Owen Reece shares part of the power of a cosmic cube, as that's the current interpretation AFAIK.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
no, because if we look at FEATS, only specific FEATS of beyonders were retconned- those in which he fought and defeated abstracts. in that case illusions were put into his mind to "test" him.

so, with a few exceptions, just about everything (minus specific confrontations with the MU abstracts) that occurred during secret wars still took place- It's just been established that the power of the abstracts (and full cube beings) is even HIGHER.

At no point was it ever stated by marvel that the higher end feats of owen reece never occurred. In fact, there's on panel scans of the LT referring to the power of POST retcon molecule man as "practically infinite."

And the retcon I'm referring to is the one where Owen Reece shares part of the power of a cosmic cube, as that's the current interpretation AFAIK.

Well, it's sort of a moot point, i wouldn't call the beyonder or MM a true "villain." But I'd say that DS, as a "God," qualifies as an "abstract."

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No one can defeat MJJ on that list

Mordru has stolen reality warping powers and Blackstaar is equally as dangerous, just not as powerful pound for pound.

Originally posted by cloud102
Mordru has stolen reality warping powers and Blackstaar is equally as dangerous, just not as powerful pound for pound.