WWH w/Gem of Cyttorak vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by illadelph12
That particular plastic bubble in the pic, yes.

An amorphous mass of a rubber like substance with himself in the middle, not very likely.

Picture Hulk inside of a solid sphere with the consistency of jello, but adhesive and rubber-like, with a height and diameter of 10 yards. A giant adhesive ball with himself in the center of it. He'd have no way of exerting his strength to get out because he'd have nothing to gain leverage on due to the amorphous state of the substance.

With BFR, Surfer tosses Hulk off into a black hole.

Arena style. No CIS or PIS. While it is within the ability of the surfer to make the blob.... he never does so in combat situations. like... ever. Surfer always resorts to blast and run. In prior comics surfer has removed the gamma from hulk... but assuming the cytorrak gym is in effort.. then the force fields could negate that. Its unclear.

My point being that in most fights of the surfer... even though he may be blood lusted... fighting in character.. he doesn't create a "certain blob" as you suggest. In fact he very rarely does anything other than run and gun in fight mode. Surfer has a lot of abilities... but he never makes use of them in combat mode.

Originally posted by illadelph12
That particular plastic bubble in the pic, yes.

An amorphous mass of a rubber like substance with himself in the middle, not very likely.

Picture Hulk inside of a solid sphere with the consistency of jello, but adhesive and rubber-like, with a height and diameter of 10 yards. A giant adhesive ball with himself in the center of it. He'd have no way of exerting his strength to get out because he'd have nothing to gain leverage on due to the amorphous state of the substance.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The funny thing is, the leader actually did that exact same thing. He trapped Hulk in 10 yard gooey material. Hulk could break out of the weaker version but the full version made him helpless.

Exactly.

Just thought of sumthin. To break the bubble, couldn't Hulk just make a bigger force field around himself?

Interesting idea...

Hell, couldn't he use a thunderclap?

When has Norrin Radd, aka The Silver Surfer ever done the above mentioned?

Originally posted by King Kandy
The funny thing is, the leader actually did that exact same thing. He trapped Hulk in 10 yard gooey material. Hulk could break out of the weaker version but the full version made him helpless.

idunno, the hulk can hold his breath longer than a whale can but if he feels like inhaling, pretty much nothing can stop him from doing so.
the gummy shite might not act the same but he won't be totaly immobilized...i think?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Exactly.

Exactly? The leader is like the "Anti-hulk"

Surfer never does the things you say in combat... and since he is still fighting as surfer does... surfer I say loses to hulkernaut.

Healing? check.
Curing the blind> (Alicia Masters)
matter manipulation? check.
Creating objects out of thin air? check.

Using speed as an advantage in combat. Out of character.
Using matter manipulation in combat? Out of character.
Creating objects out of thin air? Again. Out of character.

Surfer is an uber force when you think about his power set. Problem is that surfer.. .in bloodlust mood ALWAYS resorts to blasting away at his enemies. Only when he's written by a "smart" writter, ie Jim Starlin, does he use his other abilities... and even then its never in combat. I can't remember any one time he's done anything similar to creating a blob of amorphous whatever in combat to entrap an opponent

Please refer to forum rules.

Blob for the win.

BTW. I'm not saying Hulk can't be trapped. What I'm saying is that although Surfer has the ability... he'd never does it in combat situations.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Hell, couldn't he use a thunderclap?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Please refer to forum rules.

Blob for the win.

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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Forum Rules... Gotcha, except that in this case it contradicts itself. Flash HAS used his speed before.. and does do the prescribed act.. Surfer doesn't... its possibly within his powerset... yet you don't know since he's never done what you describe.. so its an "assumed" ability based on something thats not verified he has/ or can do. And second... even assuming he could do it... its still not within the charatcer's personality... bloodlusted or not.

Note: I am not saying there aren't other ways for him to win... but its like saying surfer could do superman type million punches per second... since he has the super strength and speed.. but has never shown he can.. or would do it... you're basing this blob ability on .something never before shown by the surfer.

BFR can win it. Just not in the way you say.

surfer

Originally posted by rotiart
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It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Forum Rules... Gotcha, except that in this case it contradicts itself. Flash HAS used his speed before.. and does do the prescribed act.. Surfer doesn't... its possibly within his powerset... yet you don't know since he's never done what you describe.. so its an "assumed" ability based on something thats not verified he has/ or can do. And second... even assuming he could do it... its still not within the charatcer's personality... bloodlusted or not.

Note: I am not saying there aren't other ways for him to win... but its like saying surfer could do superman type million punches per second... since he has the super strength and speed.. but has never shown he can.. or would do it... you're basing this blob ability on .something never before shown by the surfer.

BFR can win it. Just not in the way you say.

I agree.

Doesn't the gem prevent BRF if im not mistaken?

Cyttorak has teleported Juggernaut places. It can't prevent a BFR. But Cyttorak could just send him back if he so chooses.

Originally posted by rotiart
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Forum Rules... Gotcha, except that in this case it contradicts itself. Flash HAS used his speed before.. and does do the prescribed act.. Surfer doesn't... its possibly within his powerset... yet you don't know since he's never done what you describe.. so its an "assumed" ability based on something thats not verified he has/ or can do. And second... even assuming he could do it... its still not within the charatcer's personality... bloodlusted or not.

Note: I am not saying there aren't other ways for him to win... but its like saying surfer could do superman type million punches per second... since he has the super strength and speed.. but has never shown he can.. or would do it... you're basing this blob ability on .something never before shown by the surfer.

BFR can win it. Just not in the way you say.

I'd actually disagree. Surfer does transmute objects to restrain opponents, be it an opponent's own armor:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1543/silversurfer199511020tj7.jpg

Or creating enclosures to protect people:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3329/silversurfer04316hm7.jpg

Now, has he created this specific object? No. However, he's turned treasure to sand, people to stone, bullets to daisies, etc., etc. Creating a giant rubber cement ball isn't outside the realm of possibility, and Surfer does restrain his opponents on occasion. It's a perfectly logical attack.

Full use of Abilities - as yet written or not Radd wins - matter manipulation/creation is going to be the key factor in a battle like this..

and only one of them can do that!

Surfer can just sit up high think up imaginative ways to imobalize/incapacitate WWH -

1/10 for WWH - the 1 being the time when Surfer feels brave enough to swoop low and Hulk catches him. Crumple ftw!