Mr. Myx Vs MJJ

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't follow.
A device Merlin created [the CN],
was responsible for wiping out the 238 universe,
as well as that universe's version of Jaspers.

So Merlin was > 238 Jaspers [in a manner of speaking].

But Merlin had nothing on 238 Jaspers in direct confrontation.

Merlin's own words,

238 Jaspers thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlin's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

I'm not sure how this is a stalemate. Jaspers lost to an adaptable machine who happened to have some form of self control over it's own being.

He was also weak to an area that had no reality to manipulate.

These are easy stipulations for Mxy to recreate. Mxy is a being from a higher dimension. These guys do what Jaspers does as a natural ability as easy as breathing for a regular human being.

Merlin is an omniversal guardian sure, but is that really a power level or a role? Similar to Alexander Luthors role in infinite crisis. The guy recreated a multiverse and could combine them in any combination with ease.

Those roles wouldn't make me believe that Merlin or Alex could defeat Galactus in a straight vs battle though.

I'll have to take Mxy for the win for now. Even Joker playing around with the idea of recreating the Amalgam universe, or the IC is serious business.

Originally posted by fangirl101

So all of those feats you have for merlyn have you thinkin he's anywhere near mxy or spectre's power level? OMG. None of those feats scream omniversal destructive power or creative power. just manipulation.

I'm not in the mood to deal with intransigence today.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not exactly, the continuum was erased,
and as a result, so was 238 Jaspers,
his durability wwas not equal to 616 Jaspers.

But Merlin had nothing on 238 Jaspers in direct confrontation.

Merlin's own words,

238 Jaspers thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlin's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

Originally posted by Galan007

Once in unspace, one of them would be at full power -
while the other would not. Quite a big difference, no?

Originally posted by Galan007

Not surprising. They are different characters, from different companies.

So naturally there's no direct evidence that Mxy can affect Jaspers.
I'm just going by what each character has done, or is capable of doing.

Originally posted by Galan007
In your opinion. But in my opinion, Mxy could affect Jaspers [once, at least].

Entropy dump for the initial win! 😛

Jaspers turns him into a pickle to make his sandwich tastier ftw.

See, I can do that too. 😛

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're back on ignore.

I'm not in the mood to deal with intransigence today.

I'm sure it's easier to ignore and insult than deal with a reasonable questioning of an obvious attempt to win a debate that cannot be won.

I've never understood the un-space feat done on MJJ. He and the Fury are still a part of reality, so Jaspers should have still been able to affect the both of them. Oh well.

Originally posted by Avlon

I'm not sure how this is a stalemate.
Jaspers lost to an adaptable machine w
ho happened to have some form of self control over it's own being.

btw. That machine withstood destruction (CN) that not even Eternity/Infinity can,
or anyone it's been used on in Marvel for that matter.

Don't make the Fury sound so simple friend.

Originally posted by Avlon
He was also weak to an area that had no reality to manipulate.

These are easy stipulations for Mxy to recreate.

Originally posted by Avlon

Mxy is a being from a higher dimension. These guys do what Jaspers does as a natural ability as easy as breathing for a regular human being.

That's inconsequential in Marvel.

Originally posted by Avlon

Merlin is an omniversal guardian sure, but is that really a power level or a role? Similar to Alexander Luthors role in infinite crisis. The guy recreated a multiverse and could combine them in any combination with ease.

Those roles wouldn't make me believe that Merlin or Alex could defeat Galactus in a straight vs battle though.

Again:

Originally posted by Mr Master

Merlin created Otherworld from scratch. (a magical Universe)
Merlin created the Starlight Citadel. (an Omniversal Nexus)
Merlin created the Celestial Nullifier. (can destroy any Universe in the entire Omniverse)

The way this is possible,
is because Merlin fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into individual tiny crystals,
each crystal representing the life-force of an entire Universe.

Simply place a crystal in the Celestial Nullifier, crystal is crushed, no more Universe.

All encompassing power in the absolute sense.

Originally posted by Avlon

I'll have to take Mxy for the win for now.

I hope it's not based on your mis-information concerning martix/Merlin.

Originally posted by Avlon

Even Joker playing around with the idea of recreating the Amalgam universe

Jaspers became the foundation of the Omniverse.

Originally posted by fangirl101

I'm sure it's easier to ignore and insult than deal with a reasonable questioning of an obvious attempt to win a debate that cannot be won.

I mean, the guy took the entire Omniverse's life-force,
and did what he wanted with it.

I mean ... ahh forget it ... dur

That kind of obtuseness will be ignored today.

Mxy probably wins. Jaspers is a much cooler characther IMO though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
After I told you matrix.Merlin's feats,
you came back willfully ignoring his feats,
and stated some gibberish about it not being destructive whatever power.

I mean, the guy took the entire Omniverse's life-force,
and did what he wanted with it.

I mean ... ahh forget it ... dur

That kind of obtuseness will be ignored today.

And I gave note that Merlyn MANIPULATED the Omniverses life force for his machine. Manipulation of the Omniverse is great. But it's not all encompassing power. All encompassing is being able to literally wipe it all away and remake it. Or Mold it all at once into something entirely different.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

I've never understood the un-space feat done on MJJ.
He and the Fury are still a part of reality,
so Jaspers should have still been able to affect the both of them. Oh well.

We finally arrived at,
they had to end the arc at some point, so pis seemed a logical way out.

After all, there was no other way to defeat this guy.

Even absolute Omniversal power against him wasn't enough,
so,
bring on the plot device (Fury) ftw. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master Nothing more ridiculous your posts. _Yea, cause Jaspers is just gonna stand there and wait to be bfr'd anywhere.Didn't know this was flip a coin to see who strikes first. 😂_ _Jaspers turns Mxy into dog food and feeds him to ooboo._I know you don't care about being wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... Illadelph and I came up with the same reasoning, you make perfect sense.

We finally arrived at,
they had to end the arc at some point, so pis seemed a logical way out.

After all, there was no other way to defeat this guy.

Even absolute Omniversal power against him wasn't enough,
so,
bring on the plot device (Fury) ftw. 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101

And I gave note that Merlyn MANIPULATED the Omniverses life force for his machine. Manipulation of the Omniverse is great. But it's not all encompassing power.

All encompassing is being able to literally wipe it all away and remake it.
Or Mold it all at once into something entirely different.

He took the life-force of the entire Omniverse,
an infinite amount of MultiverseS,
and warped it into tiny crystals.

That is all encompassing power on an Omniversal scale. (no matter how you cut it)

Now, to address your post specifically.

Why would Merlin wipe it all away, when he's it's freakin GUARDIAN? hum

Why would Merlin mold it into something else, hen he's it's freakin GUARDIAN? dontgetit

Happy?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers lost to his personal plot device.

btw. That machine withstood destruction (CN) that not even Eternity/Infinity can,
or anyone it's been used on in Marvel for that matter.

Don't make the Fury sound so simple friend.

Regardless of how we put it friend, it's still a plot device machine. If what you are referring to is what Fury escaped that universal destruction. Then that is also unclear. It's not shown that he took the blast.

Who else of note has Fury beat?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Unless Mxy read Jaspers handbook bio, I don't see him re-creating anything.

Mxy has read comic books arcs ahead of what WE get as "standard" comic fans. He's described handbooks, future arcs way ahead of their time, and knowledge of scripts.

Even the Joker with his power knew of the Amalgam universe, a non-canon arc.

I don't think knowledge would be a problem.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"higher dimension?"

That's inconsequential in Marvel.

One could say the same for many things in the MU towards DC. IG destroyed a universe? Inconsequential to the DC universe. Due to the fundamentally different physics and creators of each universe, who is to say what works and what doesn't.

That is if we choose to go that route.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know jack about this "Luthor"
but Matrix/Merlin was not just role, he was power personified.

Again:

Omniversal feats in the house. ✅

Respected but ...

I hope it's not based on your mis-information concerning martix/Merlin.

Nothing that Alex hasn't done. Could Merlin with his "Omniversal" role defeat Galactus in a straight vs fight?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers became the foundation of the Omniverse.

Mxy wiped all that out till there was nothing left but himself and Batmite.

Originally posted by fangirl101

You were saying about my post being the only one that differs?

Originally posted by fangirl101

And mxy isn't the ultimate plot device character?

The Fury wasn't a plot device in general,
he was specifically Jaspers' plot device to lose.

There was no other way to beat him,
not even with the power of matrix/Merlin. (absolute Omniversal power)

Originally posted by Avlon

Regardless of how we put it friend, it's still a plot device machine.
If what you are referring to is what Fury escaped that universal destruction.

Then that is also unclear.

It's not shown that he took the blast.

"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced,

A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

...............................................................................................

"A WHOLE Universe! ...

He just wiped out a whole Universe at the flick of a switch"

...............................................................................................

Fury floating around it's nullified Universe, completely intact. (UNHARMED)

"It floats through Space that is Not Space"

...............................................................................................

...............................................................................................

It's not Space, because Space & Time was Nullified there.
So it became Un-Space. (the opposite of Space)

Which is where Fury took Jaspers,
to the 238 Area of the Multiverse that became Un-Space.
In fact, that's how the Fury knew about that location, because it was once there,
floating in Un-Space.
...............................................................................................

Official Marvel Handbook Fury bio 2006:

"Fury modified itself to pursue (the preparation)
unbothered by the raging Reality Warp Jaspers' powers had precipitated,
it Survived the destruction of its Entire Reality"

(It didn't escape the destruction ... it Survived it)

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This Marvel Official Handbook is even more blatant:

Alternate Universes - Crooked World (238 Reality)

"The Fury withstood both the Jaspers Warp and the Destruction of its Reality,
subsequently making its way to Earth 616"

...............................................................................................

We know what "Withstood" means?

(remain undamaged or unaffected by) 🙂

Also,
the Fury "Subsequently made its way to 616."

We know what "Subsequent" means:

(coming after something in time; following)

So the Fury made its way to 616 AFTER it Withstood the nullification of 238. ✅

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You're a sensible true debater Av.

Let's not touch this particular subject again
as I'm sure you'll agree with on panel bio confirmed facts.

Originally posted by Avlon
Who else of note has Fury beat?

He even resisted Scatterbrain's Omniversal Time-based attack.

The Fury was stalled for a moment once,
when Zeitgeist (an being in abstract form) confused the Fury,
cause Fury wasn't able to detect it in reality,
Technet (including Scatterbrain again)
and Captain Britain together attacked Fury while confused,
they managed to burrow him beneath a small mountain momentarily.

Other than that, even matrix/Merlin's hands got scorched by Fury.

Originally posted by Avlon

Mxy has read comic books arcs ahead of what WE get as "standard" comic fans. He's described handbooks, future arcs way ahead of their time, and knowledge of scripts.

Everything you just mentioned to a T, across 60 issues.

But I don't take that comedy seriously.

Originally posted by Avlon

Even the Joker with his power knew of the Amalgam universe, a non-canon arc.

Thanx for that heads up btw.

Cause it's being used to define Mxy.

Originally posted by Avlon

One could say the same for many things in the MU towards DC. IG destroyed a universe? Inconsequential to the DC universe. Due to the fundamentally different physics and creators of each universe, who is to say what works and what doesn't.

That is if we choose to go that route.

But "higher dimensions" in particular is inconsequential,
cause unlike Universes, which both companies have,
and both companies have their Universes made of time/space primarily,
"higher dimensions" is a sole DC attribute.

So imo, it's irrelevant in a vs match against a Marvel cat.

Originally posted by Avlon

Nothing that Alex hasn't done.
Could Merlin with his "Omniversal" role defeat Galactus in a straight vs fight?

Originally posted by Avlon

Mxy wiped all that out till there was nothing left but himself and Batmite. [/B]

The stuff talked about here is similar to the stuff talked about in this thread lol:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=459102

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're a sensible true debater Av.

Let's not touch this particular subject again
as I'm sure you'll agree with on panel bio confirmed facts.

I'll admit, I'm impressed. This is proof and credit must be given on it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anyone it confronted.

He even resisted Scatterbrain's Omniversal Time-based attack.

The Fury was stalled for a moment once,
when Zeitgeist (an being in abstract form) confused the Fury,
cause Fury wasn't able to detect it in reality,
Technet (including Scatterbrain again)
and Captain Britain together attacked Fury while confused,
they managed to burrow him beneath a small mountain momentarily.

Other than that, even matrix/Merlin's hands got scorched by Fury.

So if Mxy created a 1000 anti furies...would the original fury be able to adapt?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So has She-Hulk.

Everything you just mentioned to a T, across 60 issues.

But I don't take that comedy seriously.

You asked if Mxy could have access to said material. I answered.
She-hulk may have some of the same comedic value, but not the power to do anything about it unlike Mxy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If it's non-canon, it's inconsequential.

Thanx for that heads up btw.

Cause it's being used to define Mxy.

Actually, it's very consequential. Simply through Mxy's power, he KNOWS about a NON-CANON arc and threatened to RECREATE it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But "higher dimensions" in particular is inconsequential,
cause unlike Universes, which both companies have,
and both companies have their Universes made of time/space primarily,
"higher dimensions" is a sole DC attribute.

Depends on how you look at it. IF 616 is comparable to New Earth, and there are higher dimensions far more powerful than either one...

The IG was useless in DC.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So imo, it's irrelevant in a vs match against a Marvel cat.

Galactus would get stomped like a child.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So did Jaspers in a possible Future,
a Future that was definite ... if the Fury didn't stop him.

If there is an alternate timeline, then not everything was wiped out.