Based on what we saw?
Clovvie is factually bigger than American Godzilla. We've already been over this... Clovvie has almost 200 hundred feet on American godzilla.
And there is no reason to think that Godzilla can harm Clovvie at all. Why would teeth hurt when missiles and bullets and bombs bounce off?
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
When?When JJ released the specs for Clovvie and it turns out that his 360 feet of height is > Godzilla's 200 feet. That's when.
The Statue of Liberty is 250 feet tall. Clovvie ripped off it's head.
Speaks for itself.
Well, it doesn't seem that big in the movie. Actually...it looks kinda small...but I guess if he says that.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Cloverfield monster would win with ease. Even though the monster only looked like it was 15 feet tall at the end, the wide shots from the helicopter contradict that and suggest that he towers over city buildings. The cloverfield monster also drops scales that turn into small monsters. 98 godzilla was a glorified T-rex, cloverfield monster survived an night long onslaught of military weaponry and as far as we know went on to destroy the entire world, unaffected by our weapons. Godzilla dropped after taking a few rockets, thats pussy shit in the realm of monsters.
No, Clover is dead. JJ Abrams confirmed that the bombing at the end of the film killed him. Also, those "scales" are just parasites that were latched onto him at birth.
4. ....Its mouth was tiny. Seriously. How will it kill Godzilla with that little mouth?
Not only does Clover's mouth stretch across his entire face when closed, but when it's open it's hardly something I'd call "tiny". Granted, I don't think it's particualry advantageous or disadvantageous against Zilla. Against the Toho Godzilla of course, Clover is asking himself to get Nuclear Pulse'd.
Either way, Clover has shown ZERO feats of supernatural powers aside from a tough hide. If he were a Toho Kaiju, he'd be low tier most likely. I'd give the fight to either Godzilla or Zilla. Zilla may have been done in by missles, but I don't recall that being something Clover has regular access to. Not to mention Zilla has vastly better feats of speed and agility, as well as at least one supernatural-esque ability.
I'll also say that even if the movie's Zilla can't kill Clover, Zilla jr from the cartoon sure as hell would; he has the same powers as the real Godzilla (including healing factor), and is also a clearly better fighter than movie Zilla.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
No, Clover is dead. JJ Abrams confirmed that the bombing at the end of the film killed him. Also, those "scales" are just parasites that were latched onto him at birth.
but i thought he also said that the creature we saw at the very end, which looked like a different creature, was cloverfield.
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownAnd when did American Godzilla only become 200 feet tall? Because going by the movie, I would say he's alot bigger than that.
Based on what we saw?Clovvie is factually bigger than American Godzilla. We've already been over this... Clovvie has almost 200 hundred feet on American godzilla.
And there is no reason to think that Godzilla can harm Clovvie at all. Why would teeth hurt when missiles and bullets and bombs bounce off?
Why not? All Clovie has tanke are missiles, the MOAB killed him. Thing is, going by the size of Zilla's mouth and claws, and the size of the respective creatures, Zilla CAN hurt Clover. And unlike Clover, he has more ways and more effective ways to do so, even if he is smaller, he is much quicker and more agile, and will climb Clover like he did the Empire State(it was either that or the Chrysler), and rip his throat out.
you make it sound so easy, almost as if you're assuming that Cloverfield is a hollow paper cut-out. "Climb up clover like he was the chrysler building and rip his throat out" How about Cloverfield takes of Godzilla's head like the statue of liberty or wrecks his body like an insignificant building. Godzilla would also have to worry about all of the little creatures that come with cloverfield.
I agree, i think Godzilla was much larger than 200 feet but he or it was killed by an air strike.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
but i thought he also said that the creature we saw at the very end, which looked like a different creature, was cloverfield.
Elaborate on that. The only creatures other than Clover shown were the parasites. Unless you're talking about the scene with the thing falling into the ocean, which was said to be something that crashed and had presumably awakened Clover. Either way, Clover IS dead. The confirmation was in a Rolling Stones magazine interview. Here's the page.
RS: "But based on photos on the website, it looks like the monster eventually gets killed by the army.
JJ: Yes, he's dead. Ultimately the bombs kill him."
As for the "photos" here is the one that RS was likely referring to.
In other words, the audio at he end has pretty much been omitted.
EDIT: BTW, it was the Chrysler building, Dark-Jaxx.
Originally posted by ragesRemorseOnly Clover is factually much slower and less agile than Godzilla.
you make it sound so easy, almost as if you're assuming that Cloverfield is a hollow paper cut-out. "Climb up clover like he was the chrysler building and rip his throat out" How about Cloverfield takes of Godzilla's head like the statue of liberty or wrecks his body like an insignificant building. Godzilla would also have to worry about all of the little creatures that come with cloverfield.I agree, i think Godzilla was much larger than 200 feet but he or it was killed by an air strike.
"Worry about the little creatures?"
Get the hell out, those things were overpowered and killed by a human with a bar, they would be like paramecia to Zillla.
Can you prove that Clover can output as much damage as an air-strike? And it was to his weak flesh point on the neck as well. When hit on the side by Sub torpedoes, it was not killed.
I don't think the little parasite things could kill American Zilla but if they were able to crawl and attach themselves onto Zilla i'm sure they could cause some significant damage. I think it would be very hard for Zilla to rid himself of those parasites before they are able to cause damage. He would have to jump into an ocean or roll around on the ground. His arms have no range of motion what so ever. I guess it doesn't matter what killed either because they were both, eventually killed by high powered munitions. Although, imo i feel that Cloverfield showed a much higher tolerance to explosives. I just feel that Cloverfield would rock Zilla because he his bigger, has better agility and also has parasite creatures.
Originally posted by ragesRemorseGodzilla can take bullets. Care to prove that those parasites cause more damage than a bullet? Unlikely. Zilla wouldn't have to do shit to the Parasites that would do nothing to him.
I don't think the little parasite things could kill American Zilla but if they were able to crawl and attach themselves onto Zilla i'm sure they could cause some significant damage. I think it would be very hard for Zilla to rid himself of those parasites before they are able to cause damage. He would have to jump into an ocean or roll around on the ground. His arms have no range of motion what so ever. I guess it doesn't matter what killed either because they were both, eventually killed by high powered munitions. Although, imo i feel that Cloverfield showed a much higher tolerance to explosives. I just feel that Cloverfield would rock Zilla because he his bigger, has better agility and also has parasite creatures.
I would say that Cloverfield had more endurance to explosives, yeah...But neither of them have any form of explosives...Well actually, at least Godzilla has a fire breath attack.
Clover is arguably bigger, but more agile? You're gonna have to provide some form of reasoning for that claim.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I just feel that Cloverfield would rock Zilla because he his bigger,
Not nearly by enough he's not.
has better agility
I'm sorry but that is the biggest load of crap that's yet been contributed to this thread. No where in the movie did Clover move with visibly impressive agility, save for when it attacked a single chopper that was already too close to him in the first place. Zilla on the other hand (both the movie Zilla and the cartoon's Zilla jr.) has such feats up the ying, where it was able to run at high speeds and leap distances that not even Godzilla can do, and on at least one occasion I can recall has dodged missile fire. Compared To Zilla, Clover's movement is virtually crawling (which kind of fits given it's supposedley a baby/has the mentality of a baby).
and also has parasite creatures.
Which are more than likely to be incinerated by Zilla's breath power; while not atomic breath like Godzilla(unless we're talking about the cartoon one, wjho has all of is father's and Godzilla's basic powers) it is shown visibly flammable (if counting Final Wars, then it's quite literally fire breath).
Looking beyond the settings of the topic, it really depends on which of the two/three Zillas Clover fights that determines the outcome. Clover is either defeated after a relatively brutal fight by the faster, more agile, physically more versatile Zilla of the 1998 movie, or Clover is soundly curbstomped by the faster, more agile, visibly more intelligent, more ferocious, and more durable Zilla of the cartoon who possesses the same versatility as his father as well as the destructive atomic/radioactive-based powers of his Japanese countrepart. Not to mention the latter Zilla had defeated a cybernetically resurrected 1998 movie Zilla.
