Artificial Intelligence

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's the point. It feels nothing! It's a program. It can mimic emotions nothing more. I oppose giving rights to something that is so absurdly silly as a mechanical gadget. I can see giving it something like an insurance or a warranty....like my Xbox 360, or my car, or my PC. But give it rights? ha!

For the sake of argument I'll ask: If machines could "mimic" emotion what would stop someone from making the argument that humans simply mimic emotion also?

"Whoever/whatever/(insert here)" created us so "the creator" would see humans the same, no?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's the point. It feels nothing! It's a program. It can mimic emotions nothing more. I oppose giving rights to something that is so absurdly silly as a mechanical gadget. I can see giving it something like an insurance or a warranty....like my Xbox 360, or my car, or my PC. But give it rights? ha!

DNA isn't a requirement. You have real no basis for saying that a robot cannot feel.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Think for a moment of the lack of jobs that these machines would cause to the future proletariat.

Can you imagine a world in which a human have to compete for a job with another machine? Put yourself in that man shoes...how is he going to put food on his table while some mechanical automaton does the job the man rightfully should have?

That's right Bardock! This capitalist pig (i.e. me) would agree with a Communist. We would rather give a job to a man than to a machine.

WORKERS OF ALL NATIONS...UNITE!

That's already happened to our current proletariat actually. In fact the machines taking their jobs quite clearly have no capacity to feel.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's the point. It feels nothing! It's a program. It can mimic emotions nothing more. I oppose giving rights to something that is so absurdly silly as a mechanical gadget. I can see giving it something like an insurance or a warranty....like my Xbox 360, or my car, or my PC. But give it rights? ha!

I think you vastly overrated the human mind. Probably cause you believe in some soul nonsense or something. Why do you doubt a Robot could be self-aware like we are?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
And can do many other things machines can't...such as humor, passion, kindness and other stuff.

Can't yet. What if they can in the future? That's the question, mate. Stop arguing on the basis "Bardock wants to give rights to my X-Box", it's nonsense.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Think for a moment of the lack of jobs that these machines would cause to the future proletariat.

Can you imagine a world in which a human have to compete for a job with another machine? Put yourself in that man shoes...how is he going to put food on his table while some mechanical automaton does the job the man rightfully should have?

Are you some sort of idiot? If there were such Robots, they would be used by employers much rather as slaves than as workers with rights, causing the "future proletariat" to lose jobs just as much or even more. You have to think before your type...it's less embarassing.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's right Bardock! This capitalist pig (i.e. me) would agree with a Communist. We would rather give a job to a man than to a machine.

WORKERS OF ALL NATIONS...UNITE!

Mate, don't flatter yourself. Of capitalists on this site you are a very, very small flame.

Robots are great in art!

It adds so much: in the Jacksonville mall nearby where I used to live, later on when I went back, the trash can spoke after you threw something away because it was electronic. Things like that amaze me, and I can't believe I missed out on the fun. Still, it didn't have the covered toilet seats like the airport.

I have some other experiences, but are you allowed to talk about hallucinations on KMC? -Because I never do nor did anything illegal like drugs.

I saw some toys on eToys that were supposed to simulate a gorilla head as though real, and I had wanted to get that. Have you been to the Rainforest Cafe? That place is way wacked beyond some things you'd think were like Disney because every 1/2 hour or something like that it rains and the animals go totally berserk. (It gets dark and blinks lites.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you vastly overrated the human mind. Probably cause you believe in some soul nonsense or something. Why do you doubt a Robot could be self-aware like we are?

I think you vastly underrated the human mind. Probably because you feel technology will keep you happy.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Can't yet. What if they can in the future? That's the question, mate. Stop arguing on the basis "Bardock wants to give rights to my X-Box", it's nonsense.

Because you are saying nonsense! Mechanical things should have a warranty or insurance. They're things that are build not reproduce.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Are you some sort of idiot? If there were such Robots, they would be used by employers much rather as slaves than as workers with rights, causing the "future proletariat" to lose jobs just as much or even more. You have to think before your type...it's less embarassing.

Trying to belittle my comments using that tone makes you look utterly desperate and less convincing. Try talking about the actual point. So, are you willing to accept that robots can take away jobs from humans YES or NO?

Originally posted by Bardock42

Mate, don't flatter yourself. Of capitalists on this site you are a very, very small flame.

Capitalist is a capitalist no matter where he is from. I just happen to be the more consumer. Thank you very much.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I think you vastly underrated the human mind. Probably because you feel technology will keep you happy.

Because you are saying nonsense! Mechanical things should have a warranty or insurance. They're things that are build not reproduce.

Trying to belittle my comments using that tone makes you look utterly desperate and less convincing. Try talking about the actual point. So, are you willing to accept that robots can take away jobs from humans YES or NO?

Capitalist is a capitalist no matter where he is from. I just happen to be the more consumer. Thank you very much.

Wow, you talk such bullshit. Not even worth a reply. You'd dodge the point anyways.

And you can't even answer a simple YES or NO question.

Tip the jar before you leave.

"Technology" takes jobs from people now. What's confusing about that?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
And you can't even answer a simple YES or NO question.

Tip the jar before you leave.

It was implied in my post, yes, robots will (and do already) "take" jobs from workers (if there is still such a class by then) regardless of having rights or not (though more jobs if they do not have rights, which ****s your stupid little..."argument" in the arse).

Originally posted by chithappens
"Technology" takes jobs from people now. What's confusing about that?

Thus lies the problem.

Technology should help people in their jobs. Not take them away. It's going to be far worse when a robot with human capacities take over. Even worse giving them absurd rights that they don't deserved. Those rights should go to humans.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Thus lies the problem.

Technology should help people in their jobs. Not take them away. It's going to be far worse when a robot with human capacities take over. Even worse giving them absurd rights that they don't deserved. Those rights should go to humans.

WRONG.

It would not get worse if they had rights. It would, if anything, get better. But Robots are there to help their owner, not the person that works for their owner before the Robot did. And please, never call yourself capitalist again, it is insulting.

Originally posted by Bardock42
WRONG.

It would not get worse if they had rights. It would, if anything, get better. But Robots are there to help their owner, not the person that works for their owner before the Robot did. And please, never call yourself capitalist again, it is insulting.

Get better? Says who? YOU!? Oh, how I wonder....

Now who is talking BS here? U. Again, technology to help the workers not to take their jobs away. I'll bet you Five bucks that if Marx was alive today he would agree with someone as capitalistic as I.

So take that!

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Get better? Says who? YOU!? Oh, how I wonder....

Now who is talking BS here? U. Again, technology to help the workers not to take their jobs away. I'll bet you Five bucks that if Marx was alive today he would agree with someone as capitalistic as I.

So take that!

That's my point, you have Marxist views. Not capitalist. Calling yourself that is inaccurate, so don't. It insults me and anyone with true capitalist views. Commie.

Either way, to me it is about whether a person or thing can think and feel. That's why I don't grant animals the same rights as humans. I would grant intelligent, creative self-conscious machines the right though. I am sorry, but "Workers would lose jobs, boo hoo" is not a good reason to take suffering things as slaves. In fact, it's very similar to arguments Slave owners would use against negros...oh well, I guess makes sense, you are more conservative than libertarian anyways. (also explains why you think you are a capitalist).

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are the one that says it would get worse. Economic reason though would agree with me.

That's my point, you have Marxist views. Not capitalist. Calling yourself that is inaccurate, so don't. It insults me and anyone with true capitalist views. Commie.

Either way, to me it is about whether a person or thing can think and feel. That's why I don't grant animals the same rights as humans. I would grant intelligent, creative self-conscious machines the right though. I am sorry, but "Workers would lose jobs, boo hoo" is not a good reason to take suffering things as slaves. In fact, it's very similar to arguments Slave owners would use against negros...oh well, I guess makes sense, you are more conservative than libertarian anyways. (also explains why you think you are a capitalist).

Yes, I happen to be very capitalist. I support investing in a free market. I happen to be a consumer of collectibles and support credit approval for anyone with Social security number (even with a history of low income). I'm a firm believer in mass production for the trade market....etc...etc...and etc...

My views are not just Marxists...they happen to be humane. I put humans first and machines death last. Conservative, me? Haha! Oh wow! You don't know me well bardock. Economic reasons are worthless if humans are alienated....especially in the work force. So you can take that back where you came from. Heck! I would go as far as to say that even the greek philosophers would agree...that humans should come first.

"Investing in a free market"...classic.

Sorry, this is just to pathetic to me, I am sure someone else will hand you your ass some more in due time.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Sorry, this is just to pathetic to me, I am sure someone else will hand you your ass some more in due time.

Oh, so this is about trying to get someone pwned and not about a discussion. You're wasting my precious time. See you later then Bardock.

This will be great fodder for my next "Situations" video!

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, so this is about trying to get someone pwned and not about a discussion. You're wasting my precious time. See you later then Bardock.

Very RJ of you. But I never said that. Read my post 5-6 times again, maybe, just maybe you will understand the meaning then.

WrathfulDwarf:

If we learned there was a subterranian race of sentient, almost cognitively identical to us, beings living under the surface of Mars, would you be against one of said martian races using another martian race as slaves?

Originally posted by inimalist
WrathfulDwarf:

If we learned there was a subterranian race of sentient, almost cognitively identical to us, beings living under the surface of Mars, would you be against one of said martian races using another martian race as slaves?

This is is different....I would say there would be a cultural clash here...I don't support slavery. All I can do here is exchange ideas on how to maintain production without the need to abuse the workers rights.

Heck...Labour Unions would be throw into the argument. They might consider our ways. Who knows...?