Originally posted by RobtardHmmmm Venezuela. Damn, I can speak spanish. Do they speak that there? 😂
Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon (this was in 2005)Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12This US was paying about $2.50 back then.
Originally posted by Robtard
Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon (this was in 2005)Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12This US was paying about $2.50 back then.
Watch out for Russia, they're the other super-power on the world scene. As well as the emerging markets in the East. Despite Bush, this nation refuses to drill for oil in it's own territories. However, what is the upside in drilling for oil, when it's on it's way out? The geopolitical and US markets are pushing oil like it's the VHS of it's time in it's last 15 minutes. It's a dead technology that is only going to further the rich, fat bastards. There's no real point in pushing a technology unless it's got a market. And the US is the consumer market for that dead technology. Mass-transport was killed by the oil industry years ago and now we have to face that reality. People need oil to power their cars, and with no mass-transit infrastructure in place for the vast majority, the only option is to drive their gas-powered cars to work. And even if the whole green movement registered to most people, the average consumer isn't in a position to trade off their cars for the jetsons idea of afordable suitcase cars that don't pollute the environment. The US depends on oil and the idea that a transition to a technology that doesn't, without consequence to the average man, is almost insane. When I lived inside San Francisco one could rely on public transport, but now that I live this far outside the city, a man needs a car. And public transportation becomes a joke.
The answer is to sowly sack the oil industry and invest tax dollars in a reasonable alternative to the oil and coal based alternatives and to bring reliable mass-transit to the vast majority of the American population. Every dusty town, small city, burrough and metropolis in this country. Taxes can pay for it, just like they can pay for universal healthcare. It just depends on how those funds are allocated.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
How far outside the city do you live, where BART or ac transit or whatever the hell the non-SF version is called works?
That is not my point. My point is that so many people choose to ignore mass-transit because they are unwiling to interact with the masses. They drive their cars into the city and pay ridiculous amounts of money to park their cars in gated lots because their car means everything to them. I've seen those very same parking lots become police rallying points on the weekends because their business drops off that dramatically. So, during the week it's a parking lot, but on the weekends it is a place where the police bring drug dealers, whores and pimps to confess to their crimes. People are affraid too be in the presence of other human beings, and it costs them more than a dollar. It costs them the ability to interact with people. This is the option provided to them by the government, which is wholly owned and provided by the oil lobby.
All one has to do is look outside their window to understand the cars parked along the street represent a propogated alternative to public transport. Especially when you understand that most of those cars are owned by people who could have taken the BART into the city, rather than drive their own cars and pay for parking. And the BART should stay open past midnight, that's also key.
Originally posted by Devil King
The US depends on oil and the idea that a transition to a technology that doesn't, without consequence to the average man, is almost insane.
Exactly. That's why I support the idea of tapping our own reserves, until alternative fuels become as available and omnipresent as gas. A lot of the pro-green hippies think that because Brazil is using sugarcane oil right now, the US can do it overnight. That's not possible. First we have to harvest, and while all that's going on, all the motor companies are going to have to completely revamp engines and the specs of every vehicle model. And then mechanics like myself, who know fossil-fuel engines and all their problems like the back of our hands, are gonna have to educate ourselves on this new automotive technology. The US is gonna undergo a complete 180. In the mean time, the common working man like farmers in the Heartland who have to drive 50 miles to the nearest gas station and fill up their equipment on diesel are gonna keep suffering as long as these same assholes are controlling the gas prices.
Originally posted by Devil King
That is not my point. My point is that so many people choose to ignore mass-transit because they are unwiling to interact with the masses. They drive their cars into the city and pay ridiculous amounts of money to park their cars in gated lots because their car means everything to them. I've seen those very same parking lots become police rallying points on the weekends because their business drops off that dramatically. So, during the week it's a parking lot, but on the weekends it is a place where the police bring drug dealers, whores and pimps to confess to their crimes. People are affraid too be in the presence of other human beings, and it costs them more than a dollar. It costs them the ability to interact with people. This is the option provided to them by the government, which is wholly owned and provided by the oil lobby.
It was more just a way for me to discreetly ask where you lived, then to.. ya know.. actually be on-topic.
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That aside, I do agree.
I myself have a car and am working on a liscence, but for for some of the reasons you listed I plan on just using BART and the MUNI/Samtrans to get around.
50 cents to ride the bus, as well as getting a transfer that allows you to ride on the buses for free, is a much more preferable alternative to driving my Trans Am, which absolutely guzzles gas.
Only problem with Muni is that there are a lot of wierdos on the bus. My Mom wros for customer service and she gets many complains throughout the day about people being assaulted, robbed, etc.
Peoplebeing robed, asaulted, abused and injured is total bullshit. Am I to suppose that I am protected from the masses that I suffer not one of the accusations presented by your argument?
I would love to know where a person can ride public transport for 50 cents. You can't even ride the MUNI on 50 cents.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It's not my argument. 😐And I just rode on the MUNI for 50 cents today.
EDIT- Oh shit. I just checked again. I've been riding the muni illegally for the past three months. It's 1.50 for adults. How the **** have I been getting off with paying a third ofthe price for the last three months? haermm
I honstly hope you continue to get away with it.
Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
I don't want to be "that guy" who expects everyone else to get off their ass and do something while I continue to waste gas, but why hasn't anyone made the move to switch to alternative fuels? We deffinately have them...
The government was stupid enough to kill off the electric car.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It's not my argument. 😐And I just rode on the MUNI for 50 cents today.
EDIT- Oh shit. I just checked again. I've been riding the muni illegally for the past three months. It's 1.50 for adults. How the **** have I been getting off with paying a third ofthe price for the last three months? haermm
In San Diego its only two dollars to ride the trolley. But if you get busted for freeloading, its a 200 dollar fine.
Yeah I think it's similiar here. If you're on the tunnel and the BART police or whatever come on and check for transfers and you don't have one, you could get fined, though it usually doesn't happen, least not for teenagers. Warnings an threats just get handed out.
What I've been doing isn't free loading though... technically, there is no way I can actually get in trouble. It's the bus drivers fault for giving me a transfer. The worse trouble I can get in to is the bus driver telling me I'm short a dollar and refusing to give me the transfer... at which point I'll either pay up or just get off.
*shrug*
Originally posted by chithappens
Oil supply is not what determines oil prices.Myth!
Yes and no. I don't think oil is running out personally, so that excuse to me is BS. But if the US were to drill inland and offshore, all that extra oil (or the future promise of it) would flood the market and prices would drop, logically thinking.
It would be difficult for the oil comps to continue at $140 a barrel when the US is putting out more of it's own.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes and no. I don't think oil is running out personally, so that excuse to me is BS. But if the US were to drill inland and offshore, all that extra oil (or the future promise of it) would flood the market and prices would drop, logically thinking.It would be difficult for the oil comps to continue at $140 a barrel when the US is putting out more of it's own.
I spent a lot of time two weeks ago looking into it and actually wrote a nice size article on it (I don't have a degree so I'm not credible but the "Experts" have not even come to a conclusion on how pricing works hence no one sure how high gas will get).
Long story short, even if gas can be given at $40 a barrel in the U.S. for example, the price that drives the market is the highest price available. It's really bullshit. Oh and oil is not running out anytime soon. A page back explains why the shortage of supply seems to be the main reason named by everyone. It's just ugly business.
Edit: Sorry, it's not a page back: it's another topic entirely. Not too far down 😉
I´d use public transport if there was a bus driving at 1 am, I work nights and have 13 mile drive. I´d go on me bike if there wasn´t a huge ridge in between, tha would keep me fit as well.
I reckon there are alternative possibilities to the combustion engine but the Oil gaints buy the patents and bury them, after all it´d mes up their business If someone started to offer air or water driven engines for a fair price.