Sasquatch and Moon Knight vs Wolverine and Sabretooth

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What has that stupid plane ever done that would make you think it's magnetic field is any where near that strong? You are right that the Angelwing is capable of locking onto heat signatures, but in a forest that wouldn't matter much, there will be too much cover and not enough room for a missel to manuver. Anti-metal staff (does he still have that) won't be all that much help. Sabretooth doesn't have adamantium and it is unclear what sort of affect it would even have on adamantium beta... when Pym used it on Ultron the Adamantium was still intact but could then be broken with brute force, I imagine Walt can do that if needed; but once again forest = cover.

I'll admit that Moon Knight with prep will be more trouble than me joke post hinted at... but mostly because he could hover above the battle where they can't get him.

I guess there is a Moon Knight respect thread kicking around here now that Mungi is in love with him?

Because it has locked onto Punisher's motorcycle and held onto it and has removed several mobs weapons right from their hands. It's very powerful. Also yes he still has it, but current MK doesn't use anything from his vol.3 days, but has them in his cave. Also why would Adamantium beta be immune to a anti-metal pulse? The same wave MK uses has incinerated adamantium in a second before. Plus MK also has scanners, so the forest really isn;t going to dumbfound him and his normal darts have taken down a building so even those would do serious damage, and so on and so far. With prep it can get out of hand as he keeps all his weapons in storage.

Which he has done so with his Angelwing before

Ok? I make respect threads of characters that deserve more respect then their given. Is MK one of my favorite characters? Definetly not.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm Canadian. I have 21 copies of Alpha Flight 1 (excessive I know); there is nothing Mungi can tell me about any member of Flight that I don't already know... except who he thinks is the most awsomeness, but I think I know that too.

21 copies is not a lot 😕

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm Canadian. I have 21 copies of Alpha Flight 1 (excessive I know); there is nothing Mungi can tell me about any member of Flight that I don't already know... except who he thinks is the most awsomeness, but I think I know that too.

I only said that because I didn't feel like explaining why. Besides, KM has all the scans, I don't.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Because it has locked onto Punisher's motorcycle and held onto it and has removed several mobs weapons right from their hands. It's very powerful. Also yes he still has it, but current MK doesn't use anything from his vol.3 days, but has them in his cave. Also why would Adamantium beta be immune to a anti-metal pulse? The same wave MK uses has incinerated adamantium in a second before. Plus MK also has scanners, so the forest really isn;t going to defound him and his normal darts have taken down a building so even those would do serious damage, and so on and so far. With prep it can get out of hand as he keeps all his weapons in storage.

Which he has done so with his Angelwing before

Ok?

21 copies is not a lot 😕

Adamantium Beta is a fusion of adamantium and bone on the molecular level, so it doesn't completely stop the bodies production of blood cells. It is half organic and half metal bonded together molecularl. Since the vibration of anti-metal only affects metal and not organic tissue, who can say what sort of affect it would have?

Yes, yes, I know all of that - neither of those is enough to suggest that Wolverine or Sabretooth would be unable to move or sucked off the ground or something... I guess he could look on to them and ram the ship into Wolverine, but once again there is a lot of cover. With Moonknight above the battlefield in the safety of Angelwing... locking Wolverine to the hull of his ship might not be a good idea, unless he is controling it remotely... than being on the ground whlie Sabretooth is in the forest isn't a good idea.

You have more then 21 copies! Curses! Mine are nicer, I bet. 😉

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Adamantium Beta is a fusion of adamantium and bone on the molecular level, so it doesn't completely stop the bodies production of blood cells. It is half organic and half metal bonded together molecularl. Since the vibration of anti-metal only affects metal and not organic tissue, who can say what sort of affect it would have?

Yes, yes, I know all of that - neither of those is enough to suggest that Wolverine or Sabretooth would be unable to move or sucked off the ground... I guess he could look on to them and ram the ship into Wolverine, but once again there is a lot of cover. Moonknight above the battlefield in the safety of Angelwing... locking Wolverine to the hull of his ship might not be a good idea, unless he is controling it remotely... than being on the ground whlie Sabretooth is in the forest isn't a good idea.

You have more then 21 copies! Curses! Mine are nicer, I bet. 😉

That's nice, but the metal in it would still be removed it's still metal. You can still remove parts of a molecule that make up a substance without destroying everything in the compound. Anti-metal wave by all accounts still should remove all the metal traces

Do they weigh more then a motorcycle? and he has sucked up the weapons from the mob from the air before. Also heat seeker missles really can remove the cover and with scanners MK would know where they are. Yes he can control the Angelwing remotly, and there is also Sasquatch around to.

21 copies is not a lot to say you know everything about Alpha Flight 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-

21 copies is not a lot to say you know everything about Alpha Flight 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's nice, but the metal in it would still be removed it's still metal. You can still remove parts of a molecule that make up a substance without destroying everything in the compound. Anti-metal wave by all accounts still should remove all the metal traces

Do they weigh more then a motorcycle? and he has sucked up the weapons from the mob from the air before. Also heat seeker missles really can remove the cover and with scanners MK would know where they are.

21 copies is not a lot to say you know everything about Alpha Flight 😬

I don't know anything about molecules or science... I'm going to assume you aren't talking out of your ass and give you the benefit of the doubt.

Didn't Punisher drive his motorcycle onto the thing? It's not like it was sucked off the ground.

Heatseeker missles can remove the cover but the blast wont him them and the can move onto more cover. How many missiles does the thing carry, and how big is the battle field.

I own every issue of Alpha Flight. I own 21 copies of Alpha Flight number 1, because I'm a fan. I even own all of Omega Flight... which I hated. 🙂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know anything about molecules or science... I'm going to assume you aren't talking out of your ass and give you the benefit of the doubt.

Didn't Punisher drive his motorcycle onto the thing? It's not like it was sucked off the ground.

Heatseeker missles can remove the cover but the blast wont him them and the can move onto more cover. How many missiles does the thing carry, and how big is the battle field.

I own every issue of Alpha Flight. I own 21 copies of Alpha Flight number 1, because I'm a fan. I even own all of Omega Flight... which I hated. 🙂

I'm not, but it's still kinda hard to say which way it would go as far as I recall anti-metal hasn't dealt with organic metal before.

He drove it on, but still held it in place flying around and crashing the angelwing into a building.

Unknown, it was never said the square footage of the blast radius that could dish out, but I'm sure it would be pretty potent. His small tiny darts can take a building down, so I assume a missile would fair better.

Gotcha, I thought you were saying you own 21 copies from vol.1.

Why do you have 21 copies of the same comic?

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm not, but it's still kinda hard to say which way it would go as far as I recall anti-metal hasn't dealt with organic metal before.

He drove it on, but still held it in place flying around and crashing the angelwing into a building.

Unknown, it was never said the square footage of the blast radius that could dish out, but I'm sure it would be pretty potent. His small tiny darts can take a building down, so I assume a missile would fair better.

Gotcha, I thought you were saying you own 21 copies from vol.1.

I assume the magnetic field is strongest near the hull of the shield and weakens as it radiates out. Holding the bike in place would be much easier that pulling towards the ship IMO.

True but buildings have structural weak points that can be targeted. The forest should provided Wolverine and Sabs with cover enough to avoid some of the missiles... and it will kick up some nasty dusty and debris making getting the jump on Walt easier... unless he is in the Angelwing also... then... I guess Wolverine and Sabretooth can't do much of anything. 🙁

Hehe you thought I was bragging about owning 21 issues of Alpha Flight. That would have been halarious if I was.

I need some clarifications on the battlefield and fight stipulations. Do Moon Knight and Walt need to fight? Do the need to enter the battle field? How large is the battlefield? How far apart do they start? Can MK and Walt sit above in MK's plane and blast them with missiles?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why do you have 21 copies of the same comic?

I was at an auction, and they where selling a crap load of comics for next to nothing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I need some clarifications on the battlefield and fight stipulations.

Do Moon Knight and Walt need to fight? they don't technically need to fight, although I don't see why they wouldn't.

Do the need to enter the battle field? yes, or else they'd be bfred

How large is the battlefield? let's make it 4 square miles

How far apart do they start? 1/2 mile

Can MK and Walt sit above in MK's plane and blast them with missiles? it would be allowed...although its success is not guaranteed

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I assume the magnetic field is strongest near the hull of the shield and weakens as it radiates out. Holding the bike in place would be much easier that pulling towards the ship IMO.

True but buildings have structural weak points that can be targeted. The forest should provided Wolverine and Sabs with cover enough to avoid some of the missiles... and it will kick up some nasty dusty and debris making getting the jump on Walt easier... unless he is in the Angelwing also... then... I guess Wolverine and Sabretooth can't do much of anything. 🙁

*shrugs* unknown never explained it in the comic, but it's very potent as he was a good distance and was still dragging the weapons

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/mk49_05.jpg

He just shot a few darts at a building and it toppled over, but in the past even one dart has blown the roof of a building before. Also Walter has heightened senses as well so give the guy some credit, but he could if team 1 really wants to be cheap just transform back into his human form and sit in the Angelwing as well. 😉

No one in their right mind would choose to get into a knuckle draggin' slug fest with Wolverine and Sabreooth, even fewer would choose to do so in a forest. Since MK and Sasq can avoid this with Angelwing... the propably do.

MK and Walt, sit in Angelwing and blast the battlefield with missiles... and hope to god they manage to take Logan and Creed down before they run out of fire power.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's nice, but the metal in it would still be removed it's still metal. You can still remove parts of a molecule that make up a substance without destroying everything in the compound.

Hell even rearanging the molecules of a given substance can drastically change what the component is and how it reacts... Look at Coal, Graphite and Diamond for example... They're all just carbon. Silicon Dioxide (SiO2) also has different forms including glass, Quartzite and sand. So no, you can't remove parts without destroying the compund. You remove parts and you drastically change what the substance is and how it reacts. Water is H2O two flamable gasses that combine into a nonflamable substance.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Anti-metal wave by all accounts still should remove all the metal traces

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No one in their right mind would choose to get into a knuckle draggin' slug fest with Wolverine and Sabreooth, even fewer would choose to do so in a forest. Since MK and Sasq can avoid this with Angelwing... the propably do.

MK and Walt, sit in Angelwing and blast the battlefield with missiles... and hope to god they manage to take Logan and Creed down before they run out of fire power.

Sasquatch should be no stranger to fighting in a forest. If Sasquatch was able to grab them both he could literally trap them with his grip. He is 10 feet tall and lifts 100tons + also he could also toss ten miles away bfr

(non 616) The only fight they've ever had that was an actual fight and on panel... Things didn't go so well for sasquatch, even with help to back her up:
1. http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/...asquatchjz8.jpg
2. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/...squatch2at5.jpg
3. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/...squatch3zf8.jpg
4. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch4ju5.jpg
5. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch5og2.jpg
6. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/...squatch6xl4.jpg
7. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch7xc5.jpg
8. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch8qi9.jpg
After that she jumps a cliff to keep a distance between them and Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm Canadian; there is nothing Mungi can tell me about any member of Flight that I don't already know.

Lolz. ermmnone

Originally posted by Creshosk
No you can't. Molecules are actually very precise you remove components from the molecules you alter what that molescule is. A molecule of water with the Hydrogen component removed is H2, or just Hydrogen gas. I mean that's how chemical reactions even work. When you introduce Hydrochloric acid (HCl) to a solution of sodium oxide Na2O, the result is a release of Water (H2O) and Sodium Chloride(NaCl) both are completely different from the original components even though the have the same molecules. so while salt water (H2O + NaCl) is safe to touch Hydrochloric Acid is not.

Hell even rearanging the molecules of a given substance can drastically change what the component is and how it reacts... Look at Coal, Graphite and Diamond for example... They're all just carbon. Silicon Dioxide (SiO2) also has different forms including glass, Quartzite and sand. So no, you can't remove parts without destroying the compund. You remove parts and you drastically change what the substance is and how it reacts. Water is H2O two flamable gasses that combine into a nonflamable substance.

That's what I'm getting at actually, you can still alter a substance by impacting one of the molecules in a substance ie. the metal in the compound. One molecule that is changed can alter the structure so basically the anti-metal would still affect the metal in the substance altering it and would still be effective. You don't have to alter the ENTIRE structure just parts, which can alter the structure. That's what I'm getting at.

I was talking more of the lines the anti-metal would destroy the metal, not the chemical reaction.

Originally posted by jinzin
(non 616) The only fight they've ever had that was an actual fight and on panel... Things didn't go so well for sasquatch, even with help to back her up:
1. http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/...asquatchjz8.jpg
2. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/...squatch2at5.jpg
3. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/...squatch3zf8.jpg
4. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch4ju5.jpg
5. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch5og2.jpg
6. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/...squatch6xl4.jpg
7. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch7xc5.jpg
8. http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/...squatch8qi9.jpg
After that she jumps a cliff to keep a distance between them and Wolverine.

As noted Heather was upset about fighting her former husband as last time she fought him she had to kill him and did. Even injuired she still believed she could kill him.

Originally posted by -K-M-

I was talking more of the lines the anti-metal would destroy the metal, not the chemical reaction.