Ok, it was retconed (damn, Terry eventually even stole the glory from the tall building and the ground below it). I need better sources lol.
I am who I am is still right though. Making scars isn't something you can measure punching strength with, while breaking walls certainly is. You can get get a scar simply by falling on your knees in solid ground, and it can last years. A scar is nothing but superficial damage, just the skin that got messed up and couldn't regenerate properly because of the way it was done.
Ryu scarring Sagat means nothing (remember this was supposed to have been by normal Ryu with a regular Shoryuken before SFA2 and the Satsui no Hadou deal). Just because it's the only scarring you heard of in SF doesn't mean it takes a high level of power to perform or that any high power attack should deal a scar. Zangief has life long scars made by bear claws. Cammy has a scar possibly made by Vega or just in some off-game event by an off-game unknown character.
If scars were a feat of power, then everyone who has fought with Akuma should have one too since he also has 'Evil Shoryukens' like Ryu's.
Anyway, my main point is that you make it look like a regular attack from Terry is in the same level as a super from SnH Ryu just because it produced a scar too, which I think is a clear misconception.
Ok, it was retconed (damn, Terry eventually even stole the glory from the tall building and the ground below it).
I need better sources lol.
I am who I am is still right though. Making scars isn't something you can measure punching strength with, while breaking walls certainly is.
You can get get a scar simply by falling on your knees in solid ground, and it can last years. A scar is nothing but superficial damage, just the skin that got messed up and couldn't regenerate properly because of the way it was done.
Ryu scarring Sagat means nothing (remember this was supposed to have been by normal Ryu with a regular Shoryuken before SFA2 and the Satsui no Hadou deal).
Just because it's the only scarring you heard of in SF doesn't mean it takes a high level of power to perform or that any high power attack should deal a scar. Zangief has life long scars made by bear claws. Cammy has a scar possibly made by Vega or just in some off-game event by an off-game unknown character.
Lol, And the canon validity of the anime is stated on the back of the movie case. "Following the events of Street Fighter II..."
~Sado
don't poke the bear man. you know better than anyone how big ryu's jobber aura is. Seth and Akuma both fell pray to Ryu's godliness by giving in to his hogan-routine.
SNK made FFWA as a retcon to FF1 given that lots of things in the FF storyline were changing. that is a fact. that's how it was promoted. and that's how it was.
that never stopped him from using Ryu scarring Sagat as a feat though. he even went out of his way to post pics of it to show how strong ryu was. when you boys make up your minds whether ryu scarring sagat is a feat or not, let me know
getting scars from claws is different. in Terry's case it was pure blunt force trauma of his blows that caused the scars. creating scars on the back and chest with blunt force is impressive as hell. in ryu's case it was arching motion of the shoryuken which is impressive but not as impressive as what Terry did.
Actually, it's the opposite with Ryu. His glory always gets stolen by some new misterious hidden power or some crap. And Akuma only toys with Ryu when he fights him, he would never really fall prey to him.
Lol, too bad I don't play 3d fighters.
Scarring Sagat isn't the feat. Knocking him out with a single attack is the feat.
Still, hurting the skin is superficial damage and doesn't require huge amounts of power to do it. You can get scarred and having the muscles and bones under the skin being perfectly fine or you could get completely f***ed up inside without any permanent damage to the skin.
~Sado
SF4: ryu goes hogan on Seth
SF4 vid: ryu goes hogan on akuma and stalemates him
SFA3: ryu goes hogan on Bison and oneshots him
SF3: ryu beats up on Alex and makes him look like a total n00b, steals his thunder and talks trash about him
list goes on. let me know when terry steals the show from the next generation or doesn't let others take the spotlight from him (kyo, k', ash etc).
too bad you don't know general facts about FF too
and knocking someone out with a cheapshot aint a feat...especially when the sucker is trying to help you ko'd ass up.
places like knees, eyes, cheekbones are prone to scarring more than other parts of the body because they have less muscle tissue on them. thus any flesh wound that is even a little deep would leave a mark. same holds true for almost the entire head region due to less muscles there.
the same doesn't hold true for a scar on the chest, arms and back because these areas have large amounts of muscles on them. thus the amount of trauma required to scar these areas would be huge and the flesh would need to be sufficiently deep. scars on these areas don't come about from superficial damage but damage that is deep. and if the damage is to be blunt force trauma, then the force required has to be great.
Yes, I know that parts of the body with more flesh are harder to scar, but it's not like the difference is that huge. Even with a lot of muscle under it, skin is still a relatively weak organic tissue.
- Terry's punch isn't in the same level as Evil Ryu's super just because it scarred somebody.
- The walls that Cody breaks are harder to destroy than human skin.
Admit those two little things and we can move on.
Originally posted by Sado22No, it doesn't say after to the SFII anime, it says "Following the events of Street Fighter II tm..." And SFA Generations aint a prequel to the SFA anime, it doesn't even say that, as usual, your makin' shit up as you go. I can't even believe your gonna argue wit me about this. Hell, google SFIV Ties That Bind and it'll tell you it's a prequel to the game.
really now, man, that was low. SFA Generations anime said it was the prequel to the SFA anime. what it says on the cover don't mean shite. you oughta know better than that.
No, it doesn't say after to the SFII anime, it says "Following the events of Street Fighter II tm..."And SFA Generations aint a prequel to the SFA anime, it doesn't even say that, as usual, your makin' shit up as you go. I can't even believe your gonna argue wit me about this. Hell, google SFIV Ties That Bind and it'll tell you it's a prequel to the game.
as for SFA generations, that's how the promoted it back in the day. if you don't believe me youtube the trailer and you'll see that it clearly says that it's a prequel. in case you don't believe me: http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&q=street+fighter+generations+prequel&meta=&aq=f&oq=
~Sado
told you, new misterious power s***. I didn't like that fight either.
Again, Akuma was toying. If Akuma gets serious, no Hogan routine can possibly help Ryu
Not much to be known though. Just the old, boring and cliched "You pwned my dad, now I'll pwn you!!!" story
Sagat, isn't any weaker nor he has less less endurance for being a nice guy with his guard down. Feat.
Yes, I know that parts of the body with more flesh are harder to scar, but it's not like the difference is that huge. Even with a lot of muscle under it, skin is still a relatively weak organic tissue.
the muscle's elasticity is why they tell you to fall on your muscles instead of your bones. that's why we roll off blows "with the shoulder". that's why boxers turtle up and use their arms to absorb damage. that's why you instinctly bring up your arm and tuck your head between shoulders. the muslces are built for power output and absorbing trauma.
- Terry's punch isn't in the same level as Evil Ryu's super just because it scarred somebody.
The walls that Cody breaks are harder to destroy than human skin.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22I'm cool, I just lack the patience to argue a point dealin' wit SF wit you anymore. Nothin' personal. Honestly, my next post was gonna be "Phuck it, believe what you want."
calm down dude. i asked you if the anime is canon. if yes, proove it. if no, say so.as for SFA generations, that's how the promoted it back in the day. if you don't believe me youtube the trailer and you'll see that it clearly says that it's a prequel. in case you don't believe me: http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&q=street+fighter+generations+prequel&meta=&aq=f&oq=
~Sado
My bad, I could see how you would think it's a prequel, peeps erroneously call it that. It was never released in Japan and it wasn't even made by the same anime studio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha_Generations
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0495900/
"Street Fighter IV: The Ties That Bind," a 65 minute anime movie created by Studio 4C (output at 720p), that sets up the story of Street Fighter IV by explaining events post-SFII."
Proof the movie takes place after SF II
http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fighter-IV-Collectors-Xbox-360/dp/B001CH2I1O
More Proof
don't mean nothing. hogan routine means hogan routine.
it looked like a stalemate till the point ken interupted the fight. and not to mention that ryu was laid out like a pancake in the beginning but goes hogan on akuma and stalemates the guy.
yes because "the fight is all" and oh-look-at-ryu-he's-the-true-warriro-walking-in-the-sunset is not milking it.
he didn't see it coming. BIG difference. stop playing videogames and get into a real fight. knocking out someone with a sucker punch isn't a feat. people have been known to drop with a jab if they didn't see it coming.
human flesh, bone and skin are elastic and resilient, genius. hitting an object with elasticity in it is VERY different from hitting a rigid object. and the difference between the two is ALSO very different. the more elasticity an object has the more punishment in can take. that's a fact. that's why people can break slabs of cement with a punch and still not punch a hole through their opponent. did cody ever drill hole into someone? and yet he can punch through walls? what do you think that means? why did cody go berserker on Abigail and still not punch a hole through him?
stop being ridiculous, mate.
not when you don't see the point of elasticity of an object. muscles are very damage resistent and one of their major purpose is to soak out the damage. THAT is why what terry did with blunt force is very, very impressive.
we have no other way to compare the two. do you have any other feats for the godly metsu-cheapo-upper? no. thus comparing the two isn't off.
Dude, everyone who knows a little bit about SF story knows that Akuma is much stronger than Ryu. Ryu can't stalemate him in normal conditions. Akuma seemed like he was about to get started right before the Shinryuken. If Ken hadn't interrupted, Ryu would have lost hard.
he wasn't serious even when he did tenma gou zankuu?
Sagat going down with one hit because 'he didn't see it coming'? What kind of excuse is that? Muay Thai champions can take a hit. And this isn't a real fight, SF has an animesque styled storyline, where you don't get 1hkoed by a free unexpected hit unless there's a huge power difference. It was unexpeceted and cheap, but that doesn't make the hit any weaker. SnH greatly enhances the users power. Fact.
all Ryu did is a cheapshot while consumed by satsui no hadou. Sagat want to help Ryu after got beaten so badly. and when he was just a bout to help, Ryu cheap "deus ex machina" shot him with metsu Shoryuken. so, yes. he didn't see it coming.
Is that fight even canon by Capcom though?
And Terry pulled many, if not more, Hogans as well. And they had lamer reasons than tapping hidden powers like "Terry got mad!" or "Terry had a revelation!" or "Terry realized he is God!"
Dude, everyone who knows a little bit about SF story knows that Akuma is much stronger than Ryu. Ryu can't stalemate him in normal conditions. Akuma seemed like he was about to get started right before the Shinryuken. If Ken hadn't interrupted, Ryu would have lost hard.
It has managed to be much more interesting than "Random boss appears. Terry pwns him. The end.", especially during the alpha series with the SnH deal.
And SF story isn't just about Ryu, it's about everyone.
erry's dad revenge thing was already included in SF through Chun Li along with much more, while in Fatal Fury, the whole cast is there to lift the invincible godly ubber wolf in their shoulders to make him look bigger. It's just about Terry.
Dude, I know skin is resilient and elastic and the walls are rigid, but you are overrating skin and underrating the walls a lot. Walls are HARD. Try punching one. It's very hard to break them even with tools.
And I never talked about punching holes through people.
to be contd.
~Sado
Sagat going down with one hit because 'he didn't see it coming'? What kind of excuse is that? Muay Thai champions can take a hit. And this isn't a real fight, SF has an animesque styled storyline, where you don't get 1hkoed by a free unexpected hit unless there's a huge power difference. It was unexpeceted and cheap, but that doesn't make the hit any weaker. SnH greatly enhances the users power. Fact
Geese's scar is the horizontal line shaped one on his chest? If so and if it was blunt direct damage, why does it look like it he had been slashed there or something?
The right way is clearing your head of Terry fanboyism, forget about beating me in the argument, try to dig some common sense from the dark corners of your mind and repeat to yourself "Terry's regular attacks are as strong as Evil Ryu's supers" and then realize how silly, fanboyish and Terry overrating that just sounded.
You didn't want to accept the possibility of someone striking harder than the great and legendary Terry
used a weak basis to overrate him to the point where he is at Evil Ryu's level.
Then, instead of admiting you used a flawed logic, you got more and more defensive about it with each post. Come on man. I'm not saying Terry didn't punch Geese hard, I'm just saying he isn't as strong as Ryu with the help of SnH.
~Sado
P.S. don't go around calling someone else a fanboy when your name and avatar all contain Evil Ryu. heck, even your sig used to have him.
@Kirikaze
have you noticed how no one is moaning about Seth's loss to ryu as PIS? 😛
Terry gets flamed often here for stomping on people even though his fights aren't even documented. "god" on the other hand has all his career highlights end with a jobber-aura, PIS ridden one shot that fubars all his opponents.
-SF1: he gets pwned, goes evil-hogan and oneshots Fagat
-SFA3: he gets pwned, goes hogan and oneshots Bison
-SF4: he gets pwned, goes hogan and oneshots Seth
-SF4 vid: he gets pwned by Gouki, goes hogan and turns it into a stalemate
but all this is cool. because even if akuma can destory islands with a punch, and Bison can "vape cities" their being oneshotted by ryu isn't so bad. but:
-if orochi can destroy the world but gets neutralized by THREE people whose power was created to neutralize him.....then it's PIS.
-if jinpachi can end life on earth but loses to Jin who himself is a hybrid....then it's PIS.
gotta love the SF fanboy standards 😆
Originally posted by Sado22
[b]@Kirikaze
have you noticed how no one is moaning about Seth's loss to ryu as PIS? 😛
Terry gets flamed often here for stomping on people even though his fights aren't even documented. "god" on the other hand has all his career highlights end with a jobber-aura, PIS ridden one shot that fubars all his opponents.
-SF1: he gets pwned, goes evil-hogan and oneshots Fagat
-SFA3: he gets pwned, goes hogan and oneshots Bison
-SF4: he gets pwned, goes hogan and oneshots Seth
-SF4 vid: he gets pwned by Gouki, goes hogan and turns it into a stalematebut all this is cool. because even if akuma can destory islands with a punch, and Bison can "vape cities" their being oneshotted by ryu isn't so bad. but:
-if orochi can destroy the world but gets neutralized by THREE people whose power was created to neutralize him.....then it's PIS.
-if jinpachi can end life on earth but loses to Jin who himself is a hybrid....then it's PIS.gotta love the SF fanboy standards 😆 [/B]
that's what makes me don't like Ryu sometimes. the most overrated fighting game character with his "protectors".