Viewtiful Joe VS. Dante

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Dante is overrated when it comes to everything. I remember people saying he had a great healing factor, but all I've ever seen is him walk a few minutes after he gets impaled with absolutely no visual effect of healing at all, leaving his fans to assume he healed.

He does have a pretty good healing factor actually, but it isn't 'great'. A great healing factor would involve the regen of limbs, heads and such, but Dante doesn't have that level of regen as of yet.
He gets impaled repeatedly, but the wounds seemingly regen once he removes whatever impaled him. And he has survived a headshot before he even awakened his Devil Trigger, which boosts his regen.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, I can't see how anyone could argue the rain thing wasn't a speed feat. 😬

Nah, theres a break in the cutscene where the boss battle takes place. The rain feat presumably took place during that.

Nada. It does not take place during the boss battle portion of the Dante-Vergil fight.

Watch the cutscenes.
So in the introduction cutscene (where we see the rain feat), we have: Rain feat -> Dante & Vergil have a Sword Clash (This part is important. In the intro, this is where we see that roof of water collapse around them) -> Vergil disarms Dante, and stabs him with the Yamato

Whereas in the actual cutscene (which takes precedence over the intro), we have: Dante & Vergil conversing -> Dante charges at Vergil -> Dante & Vergil have a Sword Clash (In the actual cutscene, there is no roof of water that collapses around them) -> Vergil disarms Dante, and stabs him with the Yamato

Not only is the rain feat impossible to place in the timeline of the actual battle, but the fact that no roof of water collapses during the sword clash in the actual cutscene further proves that the feat is just non-canon.

Now, you can go ahead and argue that non-canon feats apply to a character, but I don't think that's allowed. kruemelmonsteryn0

besides not like he was doing that by himself. Virgil was contributing half of it. Find it strange how dante allegedly can fight that fast but yet can't move out of the way from a very human thrust by Virgil.

^ That's just thanks to Vergil's skill with a sword. Not to mention, Vergil's badassery being infinitely superior to Dante's.

Actually in the sense that the creator made that scene, his consent and doings and all, in terms of what the character can do its a canon showing. In place with the story? Debatable with the the timing or representation. But the creator is showing us what the twins are capable of no matter how you look at it.

Now, unless Moo wants to say that Dante cant lift a ton or that his guns don't really shoot bullets I think we're pretty much done here.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually in the sense that the creator made that scene, his consent and doings and all, in terms of what the character can do its a canon showing. In place with the story? Debatable with the the timing or representation. But the creator is showing us what the twins are capable of no matter how you look at it.

Now, unless Moo wants to say that Dante cant lift a ton or that his guns don't really shoot bullets I think we're pretty much done here.

It isn't even debatable as to whether or not the feat actually happened. It simply does not have a place in the timeline of the game; not based on the event that directly follows the feat, which is slightly different in the actual cutscene, i.e. the feat is contradictory to the actual events of the battle.
It's a feat that is used for the purposes of making the twins look stylish, along with providing a teaser to the fight.

As to whether or not they are capable of performing the feat, meh, I'm undecided. I do, however, think that they are capable of fighting at those speeds.

As we come to near enough the same conclusion ill agree to disagree about the rest -nods-

Just saw that Joe's speed boost puts him up to mach speed... the bovine almost had me thinking >__>

Then you would be wrong to disagree with me over the canonicity of the feat. sneer

Hmm. How fast is Jester/Arkham?

Joe reaches Mach 5. He fights fast enough to light himself on fire, yo. And I still don't buy Dante being > than that, or close to it for that matter.

@DP: Canon > canon, so thar ahah

Mach 2-3 for playing with E&I's shots.
The gun the Blue Rose is based on fires 600+m/s bullets, Nero's is a heavy modified version of that so imo would bump it up to or exceed mach 2. E&I can match/beat it in speed.

@Moo: I read the wiki and it says he get a flame 'shield', could be wrong but its sounding like its an effect of the power rather then friction.. it does call him 'supersonic dude' when getting it /shrugs
So even though we see Dante getting heat on his run down.. the same thing you'd go and support for Joe, you still doubt it? Hm then you'd be the only one since pre-calc BT to to believe that 😐

Edit: Joe uses a his limited VFX abilities to get to bullet timing... something Dante can to 'literally' blindfolded in his base form.

Joe can use his slow to dodge just about anything. He can dodge point blank tank shells with it, even.

Soooo... mach 2-3.

Take it you didn't read the mach 6&7 links.

Let me put it another way: The red head hasnt got any note-worth speed yet until he uses a power up, that puts him at high bullet time.
The white haired one can/has done what you said without even looking, with no speed boost or time power.

Yeah didn't read any links.

Then in that case Joe can't touch Dante.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@DP: Canon > canon, so thar ahah

Mach 2-3 for playing with E&I's shots.
The gun the Blue Rose is based on fires 600+m/s bullets, Nero's is a heavy modified version of that so imo would bump it up to or exceed mach 2. E&I can match/beat it in speed.

Good thing the rain feat is Non-Canon then. vin

Hmm, that is higher than what I was expecting. So a fairly tired out DMC3 Dante got pwned by a Mach 3 level dude.
Looks like Joe should aim to exhaust Dante's stamina via his abilities, and then move in for the kill. peaches

It's canon enough ohrly

Nahh he'll be back to normal Joe by then ;]

Joe wins for being funnier.