Obama's said it would take at least 16 months to bring them all home, and that's assuming the best. He's said he'll take account what the Generals say and what's going on on the ground. He wants to get out of there as soon as possible. So he's been honest as well, he's never said he's going to get out immediately. He just wants out sooner than McCain does.
Originally posted by BackFire
Obama's said it would take at least 16 months to bring them all home, and that's assuming the best. He's said he'll take account what the Generals say and what's going on on the ground. He wants to get out of there as soon as possible. So he's been honest as well, he's never said he's going to get out immediately. He just wants out sooner than McCain does.
Disagree.
He said "16 months" that's it.
He demonized Hillary for the very position that he's now taking, in order to get votes.
But now he supposedly sees it's wrong and that if the commmanders say we need to stay and not set some deadline then we should stay.
With the wire-tapping on Monday, this today, and the faith-based programs stuff he's been talking, Obama is clearly trying to market himself to the center of the crowd.
By going against his very liberal voting record and all previous statements.
Originally posted by BackFireMaybe he'll do it in 2012 to help his re election campaign. hmm
Obama's said it would take at least 16 months to bring them all home, and that's assuming the best. He's said he'll take account what the Generals say and what's going on on the ground. He wants to get out of there as soon as possible. So he's been honest as well, he's never said he's going to get out immediately. He just wants out sooner than McCain does.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Disagree.He said "16 months" that's it.
He demonized Hillary for the very position that he's now taking, in order to get votes.
But now he supposedly sees it's wrong and that if the commmanders say we need to stay and not set some deadline then we should stay.
With the wire-tapping on Monday, this today, and the faith-based programs stuff he's been talking, Obama is clearly trying to market himself to the center of the crowd.
By going against his very liberal voting record and all previous statements.
There's nothing to disagree with. Fact - He said he WANTS to withdraw them within 16 months. He still wants to. He's saying now that it may be slower based on what's going on, he said that in a debate during the primary. His position hasn't changed, he's just clarifying more now than he did before that there is some room for alterations.
Of course, I'm not denying that now that the primaries are over he's going to aim towards the more centrist voters; he has to in order to win, McCain is doing the same thing. But this is one issue where he hasn't actually changed anything on. People saying this simply haven't been paying close attention to what he's been saying from the start.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
But now he supposedly sees it's wrong and that if the commmanders say we need to stay and not set some deadline then we should stay.
He never said this. He's always said he would take into account what the cammanders said, however that he wouldn't base the mission on what they say, their job is to do the mission that he sets out, not the other way around.
I would be very surprised if Obama pulls the troops out at all, never mind within the first 16 months. Or he could wait until 2012 and pull the "Republicans were preventing us from taking our boys home, but now I am determined to get it done!" speech.
I think Obama should fix his website as well now:
"and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."
Since that is clearly not the case anymore.
I say bring them home.
we entered into a war with Iraq in 2003. We won when the iraqi government submitted. The only reason to stay behind was to find Saddam Hussein, which we did shortly. They should have been brought home then.
American soldiers have no place being in the crossfire of a foreign civil war. It isn't our mess at all. It is Iraq's mess. The only thing preventing this civil war was the ruthless tactics of Iraq's dictator, Hussein. It just so happens that when we removed Hussein from power for other reasons, the one thing holding off this civil war was removed. It's not our fault at all.........we didn't structure Iraq's society, nobody did.........that's the problem. Instead of structuring a society to blend different groups of people, Iraq just used torture and fear to keep them apart. This civil war is the result of the way Iraq's society is structured, something we had nothing to do with.
Since America has no interests that will be affected by the outcome of the civil war, it's not our business. Whomever wins will deal with America pretty much the same as the other, be they shiite or sunni. We should just sit back and let the brothers fight it out in their back yard........when it's over, we can establish a relationship with the victor.
ps. why are people talking about terrorists? Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. The only terrorists in Iraq are the ones that flocked there from neighboring countries to take terrorist actions against us for sticking our nose into Iraq's business when their civil war broke out instead of just packing our bags and coming home after the war was over.
My brother-in-law is an E8 sergeant in the US Army who has served two tours of duty in Iraq. Mr. President has no business making him stand between to groups of people shooting at each other, risking his life.......especially now that there are people bombing him and his buddies just for standing there watching when they aren't wanted.
Originally posted by red g jacks
did they get the oil yet?
Originally posted by KidRockOr if it takes 17 months, the Reps will go "Obama promised to get the troops out in 16 months, and it took him 17! He's a downright liar, we can't trust him! Just like we couldn't trust Clinton. Bush, we can though, he killed arabs, I mean, terrorists in our name."
I would be very surprised if Obama pulls the troops out at all, never mind within the first 16 months. Or he could wait until 2012 and pull the "Republicans were preventing us from taking our boys home, but now I am determined to get it done!" speech.I think Obama should fix his website as well now:
"and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."
Since that is clearly not the case anymore.