Originally posted by Galan007
That is how their quarrel started - but Surfer was just cruising around on his board, when Runner 'caught up' to him. So that really tells us nothing about their 'top speeds' imo.What we can be fairly certain of is, Runner's battle speed is > Surfers [as displayed on panel]. However, in terms of how fast these characters can get from one point to another [ie. travel speed] Surfer's feats are > Runner's imo. For that reason, I'd put Surfer ahead of Runner here.
On the other hand, judging from the look on his face, the runner wasn't exactly going all out in terms of speed either even when he caught up to a cruising surfer.
Well, besides that race with fastforward and Makkarri (which was so bad it was actually good), the runner really doesn't have many feats, much less travel speed feats. However, a lot of his speed in the battle against surfer could logically translate to travel speed as well, as the runner only used his speed pre-h2h with the surfer. I understand the difference between battle speed and travel speed, but I traditionally associate the former with reflexes and the ability to hit an opponent at grreat speeds, at close quarters. Something like what surfer did to Nova would be battle speed, but easily translated to travel speed as well. That was along the lines of what runner was doing against surfer. Something like what spiderman did to firelord, though, is purely battle speed and cannot be translated to travel speed, in my opinion.
Of course, this is still inconclusive, but it certainly isn't a no limits fallacy when arguing or speculating to place runner above surfer here.