Dante vs Nightmare

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If he could kill an immortal in the blink of an eye, there's no reason he can't kill Dante just as easily.

Overrated how? Because you say so? Or because you can't disprove anything that has been mentioned about him? Unless there has been talk of him while I was away.

Lack of feats? You of all people know better than that Jaxx...

So his only credible feat is the power to kill immortals if they let him.

He is slower than Dante, less durable than Dante, and less versatile than Dante.

All Dante needs is his speed to win.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He killed an immortal that had his back turned.

So his only credible feat is the power to kill immortals if they let him.

He is slower than Dante, less durable than Dante, and less versatile than Dante.

All Dante needs is his speed to win.

Unconfirmed, how can you assume that Zasalamel had "His Back Turned" from the text? Sounds like you took a really huge liberty there. I could just as easily cite a speedblitz FTW for Night Terror and have it every bit as credible.

Not according to the gameplay and vids... and he's not limited by a Devil Trigger time limit.

Hmm, interesting, especially considering all of the SE experience against speedsters like ninja that hunt demons...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Unconfirmed, how can you assume that Zasalamel had "His Back Turned" from the text? Sounds like you took a really huge liberty there. I could just as easily cite a speedblitz FTW for Night Terror and have it every bit as credible.

Not according to the gameplay and vids... and he's not limited by a Devil Trigger time limit.

Hmm, interesting, especially considering all of the SE experience against speedsters like ninja that hunt demons...

2. Lol wut? Dante is much faster than NT, that much is fact.

3. Taki doesn't have a single speed feat to even rival Dante. Like, at all. She is weaker by feats as well, and less durable and versatile.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, I've never had a discussion with you reguarding Nightmare, or Night Terror.

And it was Night Terror that did it... Not Nightmare...

I used Nightmare for Night Terror in the same way people used Siegfried when referring to SC2 Nightmare. No reason to get stuck on pedantries like that Darkstorm.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because he never saw him coming, and he was born right by Zasalemel, it was a cheap shot, oh and Zasalamel has not one feat to rival Dante either.

2. Lol wut? Dante is much faster than NT, that much is fact.

3. Taki doesn't have a single speed feat to even rival Dante. Like, at all. She is weaker by feats as well, and less durable and versatile.

#1: And that translates to "Taken from behind" how? I could just as easily clain NT speedblitzed him...

No feats huh? Immortality, Ancient sorcery, thousands of years experience, power enough to dominate all but the most outrageously powerful...

#2: Yes, Dante is fast, but NT is NO slow moving hulk... your udnerestimating him AGAIN.

#3: Who mentioned Taki? are you saying Taki is slow now? WTF? because of tele, she can be every bit as fast as Hayabusa... and no feats, no versatility? Your smoking something illegal... it's messin with your mind...shock

Originally posted by StyleTime
It was a long time ago. Ashtar was still here. I don't remember who Night Terror was up against, but we did discuss it. It wasn't us exclusively in the discussion though.

Then it was while I was away...

Originally posted by StyleTime
I used Nightmare for Night Terror in the same way people used Siegfried when referring to SC2 Nightmare. No reason to get stuck on pedantries like that Darkstorm.

Pedantries? they arn't even in the same league... Similar fighting styles, but 2 entirely different level's of power and ability... you can't mix the two that way...

What you did was essentially compare Nightmare to Dante, completely ignoring the vast difference in power bitween Nightmare and Night Terror...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then it was while I was away...

Pedantries? they arn't even in the same league... Similar fighting styles, but 2 entirely different level's of power and ability... you can't mix the two that way...

What you did was essentially compare Nightmare to Dante, completely ignoring the vast difference in power bitween Nightmare and Night Terror...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=458256&pagenumber=3

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=457819&pagenumber=2

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=456355&highlight=title%3A%28Night+Terror%29+forumid%3A85

In any case, this argument is becoming increasingly irrelevant, so I'll drop it and concede the Night Terror/ Nightmare thing as well.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: And that translates to "Taken from behind" how? I could just as easily clain NT speedblitzed him...

No feats huh? Immortality, Ancient sorcery, thousands of years experience, power enough to dominate all but the most outrageously powerful...

#2: Yes, Dante is fast, but NT is NO slow moving hulk... your udnerestimating him AGAIN.

#3: Who mentioned Taki? are you saying Taki is slow now? WTF? because of tele, she can be every bit as fast as Hayabusa... and no feats, no versatility? Your smoking something illegal... it's messin with your mind...shock

Only two of those truly qualify as "feats". Only one of them even matters.(Experience)

Night Terror may not be a snail, but is he really fast enough for Dante?

I haven't been on Soul Caliber in a little bit, but Taki's teleport is nowhere near as battle handy as any of the DOA ninja. Taki has to actually to do hand signs for hers. I am also curious to know of this versatility of which you speak.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: And that translates to "Taken from behind" how? I could just as easily clain NT speedblitzed him...

No feats huh? Immortality, Ancient sorcery, thousands of years experience, power enough to dominate all but the most outrageously powerful...

#2: Yes, Dante is fast, but NT is NO slow moving hulk... your udnerestimating him AGAIN.

#3: Who mentioned Taki? are you saying Taki is slow now? WTF? because of tele, she can be every bit as fast as Hayabusa... and no feats, no versatility? Your smoking something illegal... it's messin with your mind...shock

Immortality doesn't mean jack shit in a fight. Ancient sorcery? Okay he can animate a suit of armor with a soul inhabiting it and give him a sword and...Wait that's about it. Thousands of years experience? Yeah but he hasn't shown to be able to really do anything with his apparent "experience". Power to dominate all? Who has he fought? Ivy? Whoopty friggin doo. Kilik? Once again, has nothing on Dante. In fact, NO ONE in SC does that Zasalamel has fought. SC is a great game with good gameplay and story, but its characters are really lacking in feats.

2. NT is fast in gameplay, sure, but Dante is so much explonentially faster than Night Terror it doesn't matter. I'm not underestimating anyone, Dante by feats is MUCH faster than NT.

3. You did. "Ninja that hunt demons" ring a bell? Taki isn't slow, by SC terms she's fast, but she is still by feats nowhere near as fast as Dante. Hayabusa is slower than Dante too so I really can't see your point. Ryu Hayabusa's only real speed feats are all based on gameplay. No feats to rival Dante. And what versatility does NT have? He can fly, has a big sword, can use melee, and has a laser, that's it.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. There was a flash of light and Zasalamel was gone. He never saw him coming. Evidence points to him being taken by surprise.

Immortality doesn't mean jack shit in a fight. Ancient sorcery? Okay he can animate a suit of armor with a soul inhabiting it and give him a sword and...Wait that's about it. Thousands of years experience? Yeah but he hasn't shown to be able to really do anything with his apparent "experience". Power to dominate all? Who has he fought? Ivy? Whoopty friggin doo. Kilik? Once again, has nothing on Dante. In fact, NO ONE in SC does that Zasalamel has fought. SC is a great game with good gameplay and story, but its characters are really lacking in feats.

That still doesn't translate to "Taken from behind" as you said... you made it look like Night Terror simply jammed his sword up Zasalamel's ass... "Flash of light" can easily translate to speedblitz...

We arn't going to turn this into a feat war now, are we jaxx?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. NT is fast in gameplay, sure, but Dante is so much explonentially faster than Night Terror it doesn't matter. I'm not underestimating anyone, Dante by feats is MUCH faster than NT.

You want to take that road? I can easily claim that Dante can't even touch NT due to omnidirectional attack...

Countered..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. You did. "Ninja that hunt demons" ring a bell? Taki isn't slow, by SC terms she's fast, but she is still by feats nowhere near as fast as Dante. Hayabusa is slower than Dante too so I really can't see your point. Ryu Hayabusa's only real speed feats are all based on gameplay. No feats to rival Dante. And what versatility does NT have? He can fly, has a big sword, can use melee, and has a laser, that's it.

Actually, I didn't mention her by name 😛

Vs... What can dante do again thats any more versatile? Fire guns? Righto... Bullets and missiles arn't going to do much... not when NT has magical defences... and physical strength stamina and endurance beyond what Dante's fought...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I can easily claim that Dante can't even touch NT due to omnidirectional attack...

For your consideration: T–Flux, otherwise known as DTE. Transformation Flux or Devil Trigger Explosion. A devastating omnidirectional attack Dante has which allows him to change to devil form in a powerful and very damaging explosion, as demonstrated in this video (though the first time he does it he also performs a Just Release):

YouTube video

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That still doesn't translate to "Taken from behind" as you said... you made it look like Night Terror simply jammed his sword up Zasalamel's ass... "Flash of light" can easily translate to speedblitz...

We arn't going to turn this into a feat war now, are we jaxx?

You want to take that road? I can easily claim that Dante can't even touch NT due to omnidirectional attack...

Countered..

Actually, I didn't mention her by name 😛

Vs... What can dante do again thats any more versatile? Fire guns? Righto... Bullets and missiles arn't going to do much... not when NT has magical defences... and physical strength stamina and endurance beyond what Dante's fought...

Better than turning it into a speculation war. I hate those.

2. I can easily claim Dante can behead NT before NT can move and show actual evidence he can. 😬

3. No, but you mentioned her.

Well he has more weapons, powers, and skills. He has an item in DMC4 called Pandora's Box or some shit that does a random effect against an enemy. He can slow down time, let's see NT counter that. He can turn into Sparda Form. Bullets and missiles won't do much? Lol...Prove it. Night Terror and Nightmare have no durability feats to place them above missile tanking. And neither have a healing factor like Dante has. Magical defenses? Since when? His physical strength isn't shown at all, though I would agree he is probably stronger than Dante. Stamina? Sure, I will give you that. Endurance? No, Dante's balance of pure resistance to damage and a healing factor give him this. Beyond what Dante has fought? Dude are you fvckin high? Dante has fought things that by FEATS are much stronger than Night Terror, like his brother Vergil.

Dante wins based on facts and feats.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Dante has fought things that by FEATS are much stronger than Night Terror, like his brother Vergil.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You want to take that road? I can easily claim that Dante can't even touch NT due to omnidirectional attack...

Countered..

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Nightmare didn't transform, though. . .That was Zasamael who was watching the fight. So, it could be seen as an attack.

Both nightmare and Night Terror can do an omnidirectional attack by pressing A+B, Night Terrors however is absurdly huge...

However, in the end, I guess Night Terror is now Non- Canon, since he never appeared, especially with the apperance of Algol in SC4...

dante kick his ass. if any1 is unaware, the dante in devil may cry 2, when turned into teh sparda form had two hidden attacks. one caused him to ammit an energy wave which cud kill thre strongest bosses in one go, and be on for quitre some tie, the other was an omnidirectional attack which took off large chunks an anythins on the screen. besides, dante is ona whole another level compared to this guy.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
devil may cry 2

I’m sorry, but Devil May Cry… 2? Those words together make no sense! 😂

Originally posted by Classic NES
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Nightmare didn't transform, though. . .That was Zasamael who was watching the fight. So, it could be seen as an attack.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Both nightmare and Night Terror can do an omnidirectional attack by pressing A+B, Night Terrors however is absurdly huge...

However, in the end, I guess Night Terror is now Non- Canon, since he never appeared, especially with the apperance of Algol in SC4...

...Dude...Dante is fast enough to decapitate Nightmare before he can swing his sword.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Unconfirmed, how can you assume that Zasalamel had "His Back Turned" from the text? Sounds like you took a really huge liberty there. I could just as easily cite a speedblitz FTW for Night Terror and have it every bit as credible.

Not according to the gameplay and vids... and he's not limited by a Devil Trigger time limit.

Hmm, interesting, especially considering all of the SE experience against speedsters like ninja that hunt demons...

None in the Soul Calibur serie can match Dante's speed. None can even come close.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Dude...Dante is fast enough to decapitate Nightmare before he can swing his sword.