who can take out trion juggernaut

Originally posted by Ouallada

At Janus and Ultimatethor:

Without having to resort to sarcasm, I think the point being made was that if Onslaught did not mean for his armour to get cracked, and only found out that he was enhanced that way after the armour was cracked, there is no pre-meditation at all, which of course means that it is impossible to say that Onslaught made use of Hulk per se, unless the argument was that Onslaught's plan was to ride his luck.

I don't see any reason to venture that Onslaught somehow planned to get Hulk to bust him out of his armour. if that's the case, why have a forcefield around him, when the heroes could all have attacked and helped destroy the armour quicker.

I think he just lucked out in achieving a more powerful state (psi-energy).

I can't believe this thread went further than 3 pages.

Who can defeat TJ, you ask?
Any reality/matter manipulator and/or Abstract being.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I can't believe this thread went further than 3 pages.

Who can defeat TJ, you ask?
Any reality/matter manipulator and/or Abstract being.

yeah i asked,& we know that works on regular juggs but have no clue if any of those can beat trion J

Originally posted by Nestical
yeah i asked,& we know that works on regular juggs but have no clue if any of those can beat trion J

🤣

you obviously missed the part where i said no obvious picks like LT or oaa etc.or maybe youre just a tard

Originally posted by Ouallada
I dislike having to spell things out blatantly. I see you as a pretty astute fellow, so let's keep it that way.

Here, I question if what you have been doing in this thread is indeed Socratic Questioning. The Socratic style traditionally embraces Socratic Questioning first and foremost, and while I could make a case for that in this thread, Socratic Irony is an extremely tough sell, as it isn't an argumentative instrument. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, Occam's Razor says that I repond to your statements with the fewest leaps of logic/assumptions possible.

Here, you ask what Socratic Irony is. This is obvious as Socratic Irony isn't a traditional debating device-- you could claim that you were proving them wrong with Socratic Irony, but I would roll my eyes again and call you out.

Here, I answer your above question, albeit with a thinly veiled jab. Apologies for that.

Here you ask why I have not defined it.

Here, I ascertain that in my previous post, I have already answered what Socratic Irony is, which I assumed you would understand, as I assumed you have some knowlesge of it.

vinlaugh

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861709622&vv=550
http://dictionary.infoplease.com/Socratic+irony
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socratic+irony&r=66
http://ultralingua.com/online-dictionary/index.html?service=ee&text=Socratic+irony
http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/d?s=f&w=Socratic%20irony
http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=socratic%20irony
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861709622
http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/socratic.php
http://www.faragher.freeserve.co.uk/socdef.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-socraticirony.html
http://wordsmith.org/words/socratic_irony.html

Now then.. what was that you were saying about my not using Socratic irony?

And what definition are you using that says that it's not used in an argumentative fashion? Because I certainly can't seem to find it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well since you either don't want to or are unable to pick up on what I'm doing, I'll help you out:

vinlaugh

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861709622&vv=550
http://dictionary.infoplease.com/Socratic+irony
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socratic+irony&r=66
http://ultralingua.com/online-dictionary/index.html?service=ee&text=Socratic+irony
http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/d?s=f&w=Socratic%20irony
http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=socratic%20irony
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861709622
http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/socratic.php
http://www.faragher.freeserve.co.uk/socdef.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-socraticirony.html
http://wordsmith.org/words/socratic_irony.html

Now then.. what was that you were saying about my not using Socratic irony?

And what definition are you using that says that it's not used in an argumentative fashion? Because I certainly can't seem to find it.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socrates/
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Irony_-_Socratic_irony/id/1862668
Also, read "The concept of Irony with continual reference to Socrates", "The art of living" and other works on Socrates.

Irony is a position, not an argumentation, which is encapsulated by Socratic Questioning. In addition to other methods, they form the Socratic method. You should know this.

From the fact that the Socratic method is about assuming a neutral position and bypassing defensive reactions by asking the right/neutral questions to allow the other party to realise his own logical leaps of logic, yes I would say that you have either not used Socratic Irony, or are terrible at it.

The Socratic method is demonstrated thus:

A (using method): What is life?
B: Life is about being happy.
A: Is that so?
B: Yes.
A: Are you happy?
B: Yes, I would think so.
A: How do you know if you are happy?
B: I am experiencing certain feelings, moods and emotions that I associate with happiness.
A: How do you know that you are actually experiencing these?
B: It is impossible to pinpoint. I would say it is a positive state of mind and body, deviating from the norm.
A: What causes this positive state of mind and body? If not, will you be unhappy?
B: When my basic needs and wants are met or exceeded, I am happy, and vice versa.
A: What about someone who has absolutely nothing in this world? Would you consider him happy?
B: No, I would not.
A: By saying that life is about being happy, and your previous statements that happiness is derived from wants and needs being met or exceeded, is life then only for those who have their wants/needs met?
B: ...

That is an example of the Socratic method, which you excluded yourself from by assuming a non-neutral position:

Think about that.

Onslaught wanted hulk to win to acheive his goal.. but obviously he was trying his hardest to keep hulk from winning, thus he was trying to thwart his own goal.

Yeah that makes sense.

Sorry, Internet hyperbole at its best. 🙄

Originally posted by Ouallada
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socrates/
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Irony_-_Socratic_irony/id/1862668
Also, read "The concept of Irony with continual reference to Socrates", "The art of living" and other works on Socrates.

Irony is a position, not an argumentation, which is encapsulated by Socratic Questioning. In addition to other methods, they form the Socratic method. You should know this.

From the fact that the Socratic method is about assuming a neutral position and bypassing defensive reactions by asking the right/neutral questions to allow the other party to realise his own logical leaps of logic, yes I would say that you have either not used Socratic Irony, or are terrible at it.

The Socratic method is demonstrated thus:

A (using method): What is life?
B: Life is about being happy.
A: Is that so?
B: Yes.
A: Are you happy?
B: Yes, I would think so.
A: How do you know if you are happy?
B: I am experiencing certain feelings, moods and emotions that I associate with happiness.
A: How do you know that you are actually experiencing these?
B: It is impossible to pinpoint. I would say it is a positive state of mind and body, deviating from the norm.
A: What causes this positive state of mind and body? If not, will you be unhappy?
B: When my basic needs and wants are met or exceeded, I am happy, and vice versa.
A: What about someone who has absolutely nothing in this world? Would you consider him happy?
B: No, I would not.
A: By saying that life is about being happy, and your previous statements that happiness is derived from wants and needs being met or exceeded, is life then only for those who have their wants/needs met?
B: ...

That is an example of the Socratic method, which you excluded yourself from by assuming a non-neutral position:

Sorry, Internet hyperbole at its best. 🙄

You didn't read a single link I posted.

No, that's not a question.

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/socratic.php

Socratic Irony
Socratic irony can be seen as a tactical maneuver of sorts. It's most practical iteration is in the "Socratic method" of teaching, which has been adopted by many prestigious universities throughout the world as a method of student-facilitated education. The professor, the supposed possessor of knowledge, never answers questions, nor does he out-rightly explain the concepts required to understand the course material, but rather poses questions to his students that revolves around the course material, and as such, the students are expected to have arrived in class after having studied the required reading to be able to provide the information to others in their class. The feigned "ignorance" on the part of the professor becomes a means to an end. The class gains the necessary information to learn the course material. On the other hand, Socratic irony can be used for far less noble means than intellectual edification. One sees Socratic irony used quite often to get one's way, or to avoid discussing an uncomfortable topic. Ignorance is bliss so they say, and sometimes pretending that you don't have information can give you the upper hand in an argument, or it can be your get out of jail free card (E.G. "Well gee, I have no idea who put the empty milk carton back in the refrigerator"😉. There are, however, common and beneficent ways people use Socratic irony. If for example, a child asks his parents about the present underneath their Christmas tree and the parents exclaim, "I have no idea how those gifts got there!" one can see how Socratic irony can play a very important purpose in many American traditions.

Next time, try reading what's posted...

Originally posted by Ouallada
Socratic questioning? 🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
So Onslaught didn't have the strength to break the armor, needed the armor to be broken to achieve his goals, but didn't want Hulk to win?

Gee... yeah I'm really the delusional one, eh?

Originally posted by Creshosk
This coming from someone who buys into hyperbole?

So Onslaught tried to keep Hulk from achieving Onslaught's goals?

So it WASN'T actually a goal for Onslaught to use hulk to break his armor?
In which case why didn't he BFR Hulk same as he did Juggernaut? Why didn't he use any psionics on the Hulk?

chresh if youre not going to talk about the thread can you stop with your Socratic Irony bullshit?youre dragging it out on purpose cause nobody but you is bitching about it.keep that shit to yourself or take it elsewhere.you damn near filled a page up of just your bullshit

Originally posted by Creshosk
😆

You didn't read a single link I posted.

No, that's not a question.

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/socratic.php

Next time, try reading what's posted...

Actually I did read the links. You and me both know that for philosophical theories and ideas, books/journals/encyclopedias > dictionaries. A simple look at the dictionary definition of the cogito and the philosophical texts on it should give you an idea. "Socratic Irony" by Vlastos, "Practical Irony of the Historical Socrates" by Edmunds, "Socratic Irony and Aristotle's 'Eiron'" by Gooch. Vasiliou stated the following:

Socratic irony is potentially fertile ground for exegetical abuse.

Socratic irony can quickly become a convenient receptacle for everything inimical to an interpretation

Part of the difficulty is generated by the assumption of some philosophers that since irony is a literary or rhetorical device......

I'm not going to play the mudslinging game with you. Simply put, with all due respect, I do not consider what you used Socratic Irony at all. As for why, read up on it via solid, influential sources, and then reply. Dictionaries are to philosophy what handbooks are to comics.

As for your quote from that random site, read it again. Irony is a position of feigned ignorance or neutrality, neither of which you displayed. Socratic Questioning? Maybe, but a poor effort nonetheless.

Read up before you speak up.

Originally posted by Nestical
chresh if youre not going to talk about the thread can you stop with your Socratic Irony bullshit?youre dragging it out on purpose cause nobody but you is bitching about it.keep that shit to yourself or take it elsewhere.you damn near filled a page up of just your bullshit

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you base your decision to get into this without reading these?

Unfortunately, I read them. My thoughts on them are encapsulated in the quoted emoticon.

@Nestical: Sorry for spamming.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Actually I did read the links. You and me both know that for philosophical theories and ideas, books/journals/encyclopedias > dictionaries. A simple look at the dictionary definition of the cogito and the philosophical texts on it should give you an idea. "Socratic Irony" by Vlastos, "Practical Irony of the Historical Socrates" by Edmunds, "Socratic Irony and Aristotle's 'Eiron'" by Gooch. Vasiliou stated the following:

I'm not going to play the mudslinging game with you. Simply put, with all due respect, I do not consider what you used Socratic Irony at all. As for why, read up on it via solid, influential sources, and then reply. Dictionaries are to philosophy what handbooks are to comics.

As for your quote from that random site, read it again. Irony is a position of feigned ignorance or neutrality, neither of which you displayed. Socratic Questioning? Maybe, but a poor effort nonetheless.

Read up before you speak up.

so report me,big deal. but stop with this disscussion that has nothing to do with the thread subject

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well since you either don't want to or are unable to pick up on what I'm doing, I'll help you out:

vinlaugh

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861709622&vv=550
http://dictionary.infoplease.com/Socratic+irony
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socratic+irony&r=66
http://ultralingua.com/online-dictionary/index.html?service=ee&text=Socratic+irony
http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/d?s=f&w=Socratic%20irony
http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=socratic%20irony
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861709622
http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/socratic.php
http://www.faragher.freeserve.co.uk/socdef.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-socraticirony.html
http://wordsmith.org/words/socratic_irony.html

Now then.. what was that you were saying about my not using Socratic irony?

And what definition are you using that says that it's not used in an argumentative fashion? Because I certainly can't seem to find it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
😆

You didn't read a single link I posted.

No, that's not a question.

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/irony/socratic.php

Next time, try reading what's posted...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you base your decision to get into this without reading these?

^^^ thank you,lol. i would like to see how trion would do against galactus though,without the UN of course

Originally posted by Badabing
Cresh, you've been asked to stop with these types of posts. You've also been asked to stop abusing the report. You have derailed several threads in the past few weeks and reported people for their opinions and responding to your flame bait. Stop spamming, trolling and baiting please. Next time it's a warning.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,

Im glad this has been brought up.

Originally posted by Nestical
^^^ thank you,lol. i would like to see how trion would do against galactus though,without the UN of course

Fight of the centry. Total destruction. I would give it to trion though.

Originally posted by Nestical
so report me,big deal. but stop with this disscussion that has nothing to do with the thread subject

Thankfully Creshosk has been told to stop flaming, trolling and debasing threads.