Originally posted by Gideon
You missed the point, totally, Darth Sexy. I never asserted that Palpatine was privy to everything Luke knows, but Darth Sidious's knowledge is greather in depth and scope by far to Skywalker's own -- there is no comparison to be made. Moreover, he has mastered all of that knowledge. But back to the point, Nebaris began by asserting that Palpatine has never demonstrated the ability to shield a planet in an illusion or manipulate a black hole -- the implication being that he wasn't capable of doing either. Now, I can't prove that Palpatine can do that nor can Nebaris disprove it (he can't prove a negative and I understand that). Likewise, Palpatine demonstrated a greater effect on the Force than Skywalker has (his blunting of the Jedi's ability to perceive with the Force, which can be argued to be a galaxy-wide illusion on the most powerful institution of Force users in that galaxy), has transformed a regular planet into "one of the most powerful dark side sites in the galaxy" (think of places like Korriban and Ziost, Sith strongholds for centuries, but Byss ranks among it due only to Palpatine's influence), and has demonstrated the ability to destroy a fleet of Star Destroyers with shields capable of resisting ludacris amounts of damage.Is Skywalker capable of that? He hasn't demonstrated the power to do so.
Well, i wasn't arguing that. I just read a part of your argument where you were defending Palpatine and asking Noobaris to prove that Palpatine can't do technique X or Y. Luke knew how to create illusions, does this mean Palpatine did too? No, unless theres some kind of proof. The only point I was trying to make is that while Palpatine was superior to Skywalker in terms of broader knowledge and techniques, but that Skywalker knew of techniques that Palpatine hasn't proven to know.