Originally posted by Soljer
Cap doesn't fight 'random joe' the same way he'd fight Daredevil. In a forum fight, he's well aware of Daredevil's radar sense. He wouldn't be surprised by it.Factor in a superior physique and equal if not better skills, and Cap's the only logical choice.
In all honesty though, Soljer, what does knowledge of the radar sense going to do? Just because Cap knows it's there doesn't mean he can counter it. That's like saying since Cap knows the Hulk has super strength, then he'll be able to counter said strength. DD's radar sense still gives him a huge advantage.
Cap just saw DD take out Beast and Hercules. Seemed to me that he was actually TRYING to put DD down.
Originally posted by golem370
I did calm a damn thing I said who knows if he could do it or not. US Agent has superhuman agility and reflexes and should be able to dodge or deflect Daredevils baton
If you have no evidence its a moot point to say he could do it or even suggest it if you have no valid evidence.
Daredevil has batted away Cap's shield to even fired mid flight bullets by bullet time. He even dodged a snipers rifle bullet while said bullet was inches away from his face.
DD's speed/reflex feats out shine Agents.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Isn't USAgent like class 10?
Wasn't Firelord Class 50 iirc when Spiderman trashed him?
And Titania was Class 40-80 (can't remember which) when Spidey stomped her? So strength doesn't necessarily come into play.
Yeah, and whoever said Spiderman's fight with Firelord is PIS hasn't a clue what they're talking about.
Originally posted by Never
Wasn't Firelord Class 50 iirc when Spiderman trashed him?
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His durability, as well as several other attributes and abilities, were neglected in that fight. That's why it's a no-no.
Originally posted by Never
And Titania was Class 40-80 (can't remember which) when Spidey stomped her? So strength doesn't necessarily come into play.
All he really did is piss her off until she threw a fit. Daredevil ain't pulling that on USAgent.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
😕His durability, as well as several other attributes and abilities, were neglected in that fight. That's why it's a no-no.
Really. Durability? The durability people tend to misconstrue?
Rogue is "invulnerable," right (well. was. no clue what she is these days)? Ever seen her get knocked out? Colossus is, quote:
"highly resistant to most forms of bodily harm." Ever seen him get knocked out? Remember when Wolvie wanted to teach him a lesson for falling in love with Zsa shi (something similar) during Secret Wars, took him to the bar, bumped into Cain Marko, and...got knocked out? Superman is invulnerable. How many times has he been knocked out?
...because they list you as "invulnerable" that does *not* mean you're incapable of being knocked out.
What abilities were ignored? LoL, Firelord, mighty former herald of Galactus, swooped in and saw a puny Earthling. He decided to TOY with him (remember the ring of fire he formed and shot at Spidey?). He made the mistake of getting in close.
He paid dearly. PIS? NOPE.
All he really did is piss her off until she threw a fit. Daredevil ain't pulling that on USAgent.
Hmm, sure you read Secret Wars #8? He pissed her off, yes. She threw a fit, yes.
He also knocked her clean through the wall where she fell a LONG way, hit the ground, and passed out. It was right after she tried to drop that big steel dumpster looking thingy on him and when he was saying "yeah, it would be fair if we fought in a closet, right?"
He did a lot more than just "piss her off." He curbstomped her.
Whoops. She was Class 90.
Spider-Man was in dire straits and he had his adrenaline rush from being scared he lashed out at a Firelord who was on the ground which Classic Firelord had enhanced agility speed and reflexes. I heard that in adrenaline state Spider-Man strength might increase. He has shown the ability under distress being able to lift more then posted on his profiles.
Originally posted by golem370
Spider-Man was in dire straits and he had his adrenaline rush from being scared he lashed out at a Firelord who was on the ground which Classic Firelord had enhanced agility speed and reflexes. I heard that in adrenaline state Spider-Man strength might increase. He has shown the ability under distress being able to lift more then posted on his profiles.
Classic Firelord, you say? Disagree; Firelord has been depicted as having both Class 50 and Class 100 strength, btw. But Classic Firelord? Enhanced agility, speed, and reflexes? Nope.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/f/firelord.htm
For those still doubting whether Spiderman could have knocked him out as a result of his "durability":
Limitations: Firelord's major limitation is that his brain, still organic in perceptions and function, needs occasional sleep to resuscitate itself. A severe concussion to his body can cause temporary unconsciousness, but it would take radical molecular dispersal to kill him.
Think twice.
I'm not saying that Firelord can augment his strength...I'm saying he was written as having two different strength levels. He doesn't shift. Remember Colossus was upgraded to Class 100?
And yes, agreed - he DID underestimate Spidey, which is why he didn't try to just fly in and torch the entire city. He tried to play around with Spiderman.
And yeah Spidey was scared. Haven't heard that *his* adrenaline increases his strength, but it's not impossible.