Star wars saga on youtube

Originally posted by Sesse
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Those buggers tend to rush out of telly every few years, so I really doubt that there are many if any interested and unseen fans out there.

Curiously though, the New Trilogy has not yet rolled around here in its entirety.

And to Queeq: Stealing is a point of view. Did you watch any of those clips from youtube out of curiosity? You did, didn't you?

You have committed a theft, my friend. If you steal a box of candies and eat just one of them, it makes the crime no less severe, had you decided to eat the whole box.

I never watched those clips. Why should I? I own the lot on DVD... why on earth should I watch 10-minute clips on a computerscreen if I can sit down and relax.

It's still called stealing though. Even if I would watch those clips, it's still stealing. Just because someone else steals as well, doesn't make it less of a crime.

I only torrented the last episode of Lost because I missed it. But I will buy the box set when it comes out anyway. So... there. I pay my dues to the entertainment industry.

Originally posted by queeq
I never watched those clips. Why should I? I own the lot on DVD... why on earth should I watch 10-minute clips on a computerscreen if I can sit down and relax.

It's still called stealing though. Even if I would watch those clips, it's still stealing. Just because someone else steals as well, doesn't make it less of a crime.

I only torrented the last episode of Lost because I missed it. But I will buy the box set when it comes out anyway. So... there. I pay my dues to the entertainment industry.

I don't think torrenting TV shows is illegal becuase you can tape them on VHS or DVR and it is cool.

I do it to the shows I watch all of the time becuase I usually can't watch them when they originally air.

Watching movies on the computer isn't bad if you have a suitable monitor and a nice chair. I do it sometimes. Widescreen LCD monitors make it fun. But I agree nothing is better than on an actual TV.

Yeah, broadcast stuff is a bit more dubious. In my country we can basically rewatch everything online, simply because the public broadcaster puts it online. It doesn't go for foreign series though... But it is a gery area.

Still, watching movie torrents is a form of stealing.

Originally posted by queeq

Still, watching movie torrents is a form of stealing.

Yes it is, legally.

Its called copyright infringement. Whatever your justification is, it doesn't really matter. Its copyright infringement, whether you get busted or not, it all depends on the seriousness. Downloading a movie? who has time to bust everyone who downloaded it. They usually only worry about the big timers who actually use this to sell DVD/s or make money. Things that affect the market system, where corporations loose money.
Problem is, to many people doing harmless deeds, affecting the sales of movies/music. Funny how it is, no wonder how there startibng to really crack down.
No control over the internet!
Were gonna have to build a new world! without restricting information cause the internet is here to stay and grow

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Its called copyright infringement. Whatever your justification is, it doesn't really matter. Its copyright infringement, whether you get busted or not, it all depends on the seriousness. Downloading a movie? who has time to bust everyone who downloaded it. They usually only worry about the big timers who actually use this to sell DVD/s or make money. Things that affect the market system, where corporations loose money.
Problem is, to many people doing harmless deeds, affecting the sales of movies/music. Funny how it is, no wonder how there startibng to really crack down.
No control over the internet!
Were gonna have to build a new world! without restricting information cause the internet is here to stay and grow

I agree, millions are downloading illegally shared videos and music constantly. That's millions of different IP addresses the American Government or organizations or whoever else have no time or worry to look for. Like you said, it is usually the big bad boys who get tagged.

I do feel bad for the teens who get hammered by the system though. No kid should be treated like a criminal for downloading a movie. Some people are made into examples. To me, stealing a DVD from wal*mart is way worse than downloading that same film.

Like I said, its still considered stealing. Usually, how the law functions, its having to deal with things that affect our current system. In a democracy, large corporations can get away with practiculy anything cause there key part to fuel our economy. The regular Joe (consumer) doesn't like drastic change so they live to there system. Companies can consider there doings illegal, the same way you feel stealing on the internet is less serious than grabbing stuff from Walmart. At a time, they introduced ethics for democracy. Your thoughts are not any different than the decision makers for large corporations. Its just that they can legally find loops holes, it makes it easier when billion dollar companies are key to your world/economy, life. Use that a a justification if you like.
So, the internet is here to stay, and changes need to be made to our current system. Or control the internet?

Originally posted by sweersa
Yes it is, legally.

Indeed.

Stealing, that has incredible odds favoring the suspect.

Stealing a car would give you some serious time and a criminal record.
Stealing a dvd from your local shop would be very hard, and theft is not exactly a good mark in your CV.

Stealing from torrents' "carry all your bandwidth can" buffet however offers you all the rewards with a risk small enough to make it statistically a no-brainer.

Meaning, if you are not a religious person, and you don't exactly believe in morality, there is no reason not to steal. Believers of faith may reconsider whether they wish to pawn their ticket to heaven.

The rest might as well buy a bigger hard drive....

Edit: Damn, did this post come out well. Every other sentence beginning with a word "steal". Well, I never was much of a writer.

Originally posted by Sesse
Indeed.

Stealing, that has incredible odds favoring the suspect.

Stealing a car would give you some serious time and a criminal record.
Stealing a dvd from your local shop would be very hard, and theft is not exactly a good mark in your CV.

Stealing from torrents' "carry all your bandwidth can" buffet however offers you all the rewards with a risk small enough to make it statistically a no-brainer.

Meaning, if you are not a religious person, and you don't exactly believe in morality, there is no reason not to steal. Believers of faith may reconsider whether they wish to pawn their ticket to heaven.

The rest might as well buy a bigger hard drive....

Edit: Damn, did this post come out well. Every other sentence beginning with a word "steal". Well, I never was much of a writer.

Well said, everyone. I am a Christian, I personally don't consider illegal file sharing stealing in most cases so its not like I have any problems doing it. (If I did it mind you.)

Well I do. If no one goes to theatres nd pay for a ticket, if no one rents or buys DVD's or Blu-rays, nothing will be made.

Once you get a product without paying for it, it's stealing unless someone gives you an official copy as a present. Judging whether something is morally okay by yourself leads to stretching your own moral to suit your own desires. If we all go that way, society is about to fall.

Originally posted by queeq
Well I do. If no one goes to theatres nd pay for a ticket, if no one rents or buys DVD's or Blu-rays, nothing will be made.

Once you get a product without paying for it, it's stealing unless someone gives you an official copy as a present. Judging whether something is morally okay by yourself leads to stretching your own moral to suit your own desires. If we all go that way, society is about to fall.

I understand. But everyone doesn't go that way. Really nothing beats watching the film at the theatre and such.

I remember reading this story on some news website that said music downloads have little if any real impact on CD sales. If you are interested I could find it. They had a lot of info to back it up. I used it in a school paper.

I do agree if you really like a movie you should buy it or see it at the theatre to support the producers..etc. Thats what I do.

CD sales have been dropping for many years now. Internet buying of songs has increased, apparantly that seems to even out. But CD is out, it's near to extinction.

I buy my movies or see them in theatres.

Originally posted by queeq
CD sales have been dropping for many years now. Internet buying of songs has increased, apparantly that seems to even out. But CD is out, it's near to extinction.

I buy my movies or see them in theatres.

I wouldn't say it is near to extinction, atleast in the US, people still like physical copies here. At least the CD stores and departments in larger stores with CD's seem to be doing pretty well. Record Companies wouldn't still release physical CD's if it was a near to an extinct format. Sales still must justify and go beyond the cost of sampling discs and labeling, etc.

With near extinct I mean, the medium is passé. people still buy it, I like to have CD's as well. But it's basically a thing of the past, just like DVD's which I still buy as well... for now.

Originally posted by queeq
With near extinct I mean, the medium is passé. people still buy it, I like to have CD's as well. But it's basically a thing of the past, just like DVD's which I still buy as well... for now.

I suppose. Still I think Physical format for CD's will be around for a long time. DVD's wont be replaced by files on a hard disk just yet, (sometimes they are) they will be replaced with another physical format like Blu-ray.

Perhaps the movie file-size will catch up with the internet connection speeds in a way that makes downloading high quality movies frustrating?

At the moment, pulling 1 GB in 15 minutes under optimal conditions makes movie downloading just a tad too fast to be considered unpractical.

Surely, copies can lower the quality, but its still a high quality versions, that most movie downloaders are after.

Well, I think they were at least... *IF* I were such a person, I would think like that.

I foresee either higher internet speeds or you just go down to a stor, plug in your USB or next generation stick en download it in a couple of seconds. Basically what we could already do with music.
Storage is getting so cheap, it's not hard to imagine walking around with a terrabyte not long from now.

I hope to be getting my iPhone soon. It has 8 G... which is huge if you think about it... just in a small device like that. Yup, it's harddisk we go. Which is also a tad dodgy, because what is our safe back-up system gonna be?

Originally posted by queeq

what is our safe back-up system gonna be?

😕 RAID-1?

Originally posted by Sesse
Perhaps the movie file-size will catch up with the internet connection speeds in a way that makes downloading high quality movies frustrating?

At the moment, pulling 1 GB in 15 minutes under optimal conditions makes movie downloading just a tad too fast to be considered unpractical.

Surely, copies can lower the quality, but its still a high quality versions, that most movie downloaders are after.

Well, I think they were at least... *IF* I were such a person, I would think like that.

Hehehe.

My IT instructor told me that this college was expirmenting with a really fast kind of a network that could someday be used for the internet. The speeds were so high you could download gigabytes in seconds. As you can imagine they pulled the plug on that particular type becuase people were using it to download films and such.

But itw ill come. I rememebr the time I had to phone in... it took me hours to get 5MB downloaded. Now it's just a few seconds.

Originally posted by Sesse
😕 RAID-1?

Still a hard disk.