Originally posted by george '06
if he is its because of the movies, i dont see how al you delusional dark knight fanboys beleive joker can beat luthor, whos his superior in damn near everyway
luthor asspwns joker9/10
the other 1 is emporer joker
And you're a delusional superman fanboy. Lex is owned by Joker and it aint just because Joker was awesome in The Dark Knight you idiot.
Originally posted by george '06why do you keep envisioning Joker fighting lex's warsuit? obviously joker loses in that fight...and obviously, Joker would never be dumb enough to engage in that type of fight
shame this isnt a version with phenomenal cosmic power isnt it? this is a skinny psycho whos resources arent anywhere near luthors, give me one reason he beats lex's warsuit
you think joker has been batman's biggest thorn by being a physical threat to batman?
no, joker is one of the few who can mentally challenge and sometimes even beat the batman
This is actually trickier than most people are giving it credit for, and a very good thread to be honest.
You have Lex Luthor, a machiavellian adept who is the guy you find under the definition on nietzchean malevolent (Friedrich Nietzche must have had a far flung vision of future DC comics depicting Lex when he started writing his philosophies ....even though that was long before there was anything like DC comics).
Lex is not only INCREDIBLY brilliant, but he has access to a very diversified array of resources (Lex actually has the most diversified resource base for HUMANS in comics, ranging from high tech Earth technology, to various alien tech suites, to even fourth dimension technology from Apokolips). He also has the sheer strength of will to be able to pull through against vast odds, which is why even though he is a human he is a challenge to the gods (i.e. Superman and others).
However, the Joker is not a funny man in a clown suit.
The guy is also amazingly bright (by some measures as bright, if not more, than Bruce Wayne), and you could characterize his madness as super-intelligence run amok (it was insinuated once that that was what it was).
While Lex is able, through pure force of will and resources, to get almost anything done; the Joker is also able to do the same, but unlike Lex's machiavellian approach of guile and subterfuge, ol' Joker uses an obtuse string of far-flung stratagems that seem stupid, at first, but in the end come together in a brilliant manner.
Let me put it this way ....if I was Lex i would NOT want to nuke where I BELIEVED the Joker to be. The reason is, I would not be able to confirm if the Joker is actually dead (since everything would be vaporized) ....I would rather have a situation where i see the cold body of the Joker, not a tepid belief that the Joker was SUPPOSED to be within the mile-wide area that i just nuked.
The reason is taking the Joker for granted is an easy way to get killed.
Who would win?
I honestly cannot call this, since both of them have amazing advantages going for them. However, only one of them has a slight (slight, but still present) disadvantage.
The moment Lex Luthor takes the Joker for granted, using his belief that he has all sorts of tech (as some are, well ...correctly, saying) and that will protect him from a 'clown,' then he will die.
Because, while Lex can easily come up with an Apokoliptan battlesuit, the Joker is someone who could just show up with Doomsday or Kal (controlled in more or less the way Ivy was doing it) ....or against all odds, show up by your bedside with a bread knife and ill intent ....
This was a better thread than most people were giving it credit for, by the way.
Originally posted by spetznaz
This is actually trickier than most people are giving it credit for, and a very good thread to be honest.You have Lex Luthor, a machiavellian adept who is the guy you find under the definition on nietzchean malevolent (Friedrich Nietzche must have had a far flung vision of future DC comics depicting Lex when he started writing his philosophies ....even though that was long before there was anything like DC comics).
Lex is not only INCREDIBLY brilliant, but he has access to a very diversified array of resources (Lex actually has the most diversified resource base for HUMANS in comics, ranging from high tech Earth technology, to various alien tech suites, to even fourth dimension technology from Apokolips). He also has the sheer strength of will to be able to pull through against vast odds, which is why even though he is a human he is a challenge to the gods (i.e. Superman and others).
However, the Joker is not a funny man in a clown suit.
The guy is also amazingly bright (by some measures as bright, if not more, than Bruce Wayne), and you could characterize his madness as super-intelligence run amok (it was insinuated once that that was what it was).
While Lex is able, through pure force of will and resources, to get almost anything done; the Joker is also able to do the same, but unlike Lex's machiavellian approach of guile and subterfuge, ol' Joker uses an obtuse string of far-flung stratagems that seem stupid, at first, but in the end come together in a brilliant manner.
Let me put it this way ....if I was Lex i would NOT want to nuke where I BELIEVED the Joker to be. The reason is, I would not be able to confirm if the Joker is actually dead (since everything would be vaporized) ....I would rather have a situation where i see the cold body of the Joker, not a tepid belief that the Joker was SUPPOSED to be within the mile-wide area that i just nuked.
The reason is taking the Joker for granted is an easy way to get killed.
Who would win?
I honestly cannot call this, since both of them have amazing advantages going for them. However, only one of them has a slight (slight, but still present) disadvantage.
The moment Lex Luthor takes the Joker for granted, using his belief that he has all sorts of tech (as some are, well ...correctly, saying) and that will protect him from a 'clown,' then he will die.
Because, while Lex can easily come up with an Apokoliptan battlesuit, the Joker is someone who could just show up with Doomsday or Kal (controlled in more or less the way Ivy was doing it) ....or against all odds, show up by your bedside with a bread knife and ill intent ....
This was a better thread than most people were giving it credit for, by the way.
imo luther and joker are both pretty awesome but overall luther is comeing out the victor.....honestly luther might make joker believe hes giveing him a peace offering or something to that nature but then.............BOOM..........it was just a trap....lex could set him up for death or even to make himself look good in the public eye he may set joker up for jail...depending on the situation. Joker would not put a plan together like that because with joker he does'ent really have an order and his plans cant go as big scale as luthers because of the connection and money diffrence.
and just a random question...does anyone know has it ever been said what luthers intalect level is?
