The "What If" Fight...

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And name ONE durability feat of Jedah besides the one which involved him being annihilated? Simply saying,"He's Jedah!!! He must be super durable!!! Doesn't cut it. Belial is powerful, but he has no feats which put him above the entire universe in power at all. His feats include a force field which would shield him from the sun, being able to kill 100 Makai nobles with a swing of his arm, being able to send things through other dimensions with the power of the Scalephoton(which killed him btw), and that's about it I think. I may of forgot some but whatever, he has no universal feats.

2. I am very familiar with Darkstalkers. There's only a few billion in the DS universe? Then where did Pyron find all the rich, lively planets to devour? Or are you saying Pyron ate all the planets with life already? If so, well then I guess Pyron is more powerful than Makai then. 🙂

And that is disproved by Pyron's words in the ending when he proclaims wishes to devour the Andromeda, if there was no more life in the universe, why devour it at all?

And humans are like...Weak, so yeah, I reckon a B rank like Rikuo, Sasquatch, or Bishamon could solo all the humans. Easily in fact.

3. But we DON'T KNOW, so assuming it is bigger than the human universe is BS. Belial has claimed to be omnipresent and omniscient, clearly he is not, he did not forsee Demitri's attack on him which eventually cost his life. So Belial can claim whatever the hell he wants. He overrated his own power and died because of it. And it is also disproved since he has no idea how big Makai is, Omnipresence and Omniscience would allow him to know, but he doesn't.

4. Hyperbole. Many things in fiction and real life have been claimed to be "endless", if it were truly endless, there would be no walls. Do you know how big the universe is? Gigantic, it took Pyron, who is a proven many times FTL being, 3 years to go from one side of the universe to the other. So we can't assume Makai is even near as big as the universe.

5. I am well aware of what Makai is. My basic argument is we don't know what is beyond the Miasma, so we can't assume it at all equals the size of the universe.

-Jedah has no durability, he's made entirely outta blood. He's not at all durable (at least i don't think so) all I meant was it destroyed him so badly, it took'im like 100 yrs to come back together.

-Never said the gate it's self was stronger than the WHOLE universe, just that it adds to Makai's power. Also, I think it shows real power for Belail to go through all that shit and in the end killed by no one else's power but his own, not to mention it took'im nearly 100 yrs to die after the incident.

-Pyron traveled the entire universe, then came back to Earth, that must mean that everything else in the universe aint even worthy enough to be mentioned or that Earth is the strongest point in the universe, and what do you know, the only reason he came to Earth was cuz it had Darkstalkers on it, which Makai is full of.

-Belail never claimed to be omnipresent and omniscient...that's what the faq says. Hell, in the comic Belail acts like Ryu, he IS powerful but he him self doesn't think so, he thinks he's got to the position he's in through hard work. It's the exact opposite. And Belail dying by breaking the gate and not for seeing Demetri's attack is bad writing IMO, cuz he can't for see Demetri's attack yet he for sees the same Demetri that fought him get curbed by Morrigan at full power. Now Belial gets killed later WAAAAY after the fight wit demetri that goes on for several days, yet Morrigan erases the same Demetri in moments. Either it's bad writing or Morrigan is leagues above Belial.

-Not every planet Pyron eats has life on it (Pyron doesn't eat just planets either, 1 of pyron's nick name is the "Devourer of Stars) and not every planet Pyron fights on gets destroyed. I think he can deprive the planet of life or worthy life (seeing as how in his DS2 ending humans are still on it even after it's around is fingers) and fly away or wear it as rings.

-Last but not least...dude I NEVER said it was as big as the human universe, hell it may not even be the size of a galaxy. All I said was no one knows how big it is, so calling it small would be wrong, especially how we don't even know how big what's inside the Maiasma is, hell you got endless chasms, endless seas, moving forest, and etc. the Maisma could be playing some kind of optical illusion and be infinitely far away or right in front of you. All I said was, you can't call it small just like I can't call it big, no one knows.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Just a few things I would like to address

-Jedah has no durability, he's made entirely outta blood. He's not at all durable (at least i don't think so) all I meant was it destroyed him so badly, it took'im like 100 yrs to come back together.

-Never said the gate it's self was stronger than the WHOLE universe, just that it adds to Makai's power. Also, I think it shows real power for Belail to go through all that shit and in the end killed by no one else's power but his own, not to mention it took'im nearly 100 yrs to die after the incident.

-Pyron traveled the entire universe, then came back to Earth, that must mean that everything else in the universe aint even worthy enough to be mentioned or that Earth is the strongest point in the universe, and what do you know, the only reason he came to Earth was cuz it had Darkstalkers on it, which Makai is full of.

-Belail never claimed to be omnipresent and omniscient...that's what the faq says. Hell, in the comic Belail acts like Ryu, he IS powerful but he him self doesn't think so, he thinks he's got to the position he's in through hard work. It's the exact opposite. And Belail dying by breaking the gate and not for seeing Demetri's attack is bad writing IMO, cuz he can't for see Demetri's attack yet he for sees the same Demetri that fought him get curbed by Morrigan at full power. Now Belial gets killed later WAAAAY after the fight wit demetri that goes on for several days, yet Morrigan erases the same Demetri in moments. Either it's bad writing or Morrigan is leagues above Belial.

-Not every planet Pyron eats has life on it (Pyron doesn't eat just planets either, 1 of pyron's nick name is the "Devourer of Stars) and not every planet Pyron fights on gets destroyed. I think he can deprive the planet of life or worthy life (seeing as how in his DS2 ending humans are still on it even after it's around is fingers) and fly away or wear it as rings.

-Last but not least...dude I NEVER said it was as big as the human universe, hell it may not even be the size of a galaxy. All I said was no one knows how big it is, so calling it small would be wrong, especially how we don't even know how big what's inside the Maiasma is, hell you got endless chasms, endless seas, moving forest, and etc. the Maisma could be playing some kind of optical illusion and be infinitely far away or right in front of you. All I said was, you can't call it small just like I can't call it big, no one knows.

2. Well Belial only has had one fight with an amped Demitri. But he was still killed by his own power.

3. He came to Earth 65 million years ago and created the Huitzil to watch it for him and inform him when it was ripe, as that planet had potential for alot of power as Pyron has said. He then raced toward Earth and plunged into the Atlantic I think, which killed Rikuo's race. And granted, even in Pyron's weakened mortal form, he was able to completely b!tch all the Darkstalker's but Demitri, who was the most powerful living Darkstalker on the planet at the time(Morrigan was second, Donavan was 3rd).

4. Yes he has. When he found Morrigan, he said sumthin like,"Using my omniscience, I have forseen every possible fate for this one." and then chose the one that would benefit her most. Well Demitri was amped when he fought Belial.

5. Granted. But he prefers ones rich in life force. And in DS2, we see humans saying sumthin about severe climate changes, nothing about them being alive after wearing the ring. Also, when has it been claimed Pyron has eaten stars? Just outta curiosity.

6. Exactly. But you DID say it was more powerful than the entire universe, based on pretty much nothing. Even Pyron has not explored the entire universe.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Yes destroying him is some kinda super uber feat? 😬

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

3. He came to Earth 65 million years ago and created the Huitzil to watch it for him and inform him when it was ripe, as that planet had potential for alot of power as Pyron has said. He then raced toward Earth and plunged into the Atlantic I think, which killed Rikuo's race. And granted, even in Pyron's weakened mortal form, he was able to completely b!tch all the Darkstalker's but Demitri, who was the most powerful living Darkstalker on the planet at the time(Morrigan was second, Donavan was 3rd).

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
4. Yes he has. When he found Morrigan, he said sumthin like,"Using my omniscience, I have forseen every possible fate for this one." and then chose the one that would benefit her most. Well Demitri was amped when he fought Belial.

"Through my eye's of omniscience. I have foreseen all of her possible futures. Every happenstance...every coincidence every choice and feasible coincidence, I have witnessed and weighed."

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
5. Granted. But he prefers ones rich in life force. And in DS2, we see humans saying sumthin about severe climate changes, nothing about them being alive after wearing the ring. Also, when has it been claimed Pyron has eaten stars? Just outta curiosity.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
6. Exactly. But you DID say it was more powerful than the entire universe, based on pretty much nothing. Even Pyron has not explored the entire universe.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Hell yeah, a Demetri empowered Pyron failed to do so.

Pyron only fought Demetri, dude came outta the ocean and the 1st fight he got into...he lost. As sucky as that sounds, that's what happened...he shouldn't have played around or the writers need to do a better job.

Yeah yur right, it was that one time he said...

"Through my eye's of omniscience. I have foreseen all of her possible futures. Every happenstance...every coincidence every choice and feasible coincidence, I have witnessed and weighed."

Yeah, that's the thing, when they were talkin 'bout the climate they were already around his finger. Not havin the animations for the endins really misconstrued the endin...ALOT.

Makai is stronger, you take all the Makai beast VS all the humans and aliens left and I'm pretty sure Makai is gonna win.

2. Hmmm you are right, I am confusing canon with the OVA lol. But actually he also fought Bishamon, and in the fight Pyron separated the armor from him.

3. Yay.

4. That ending isn't on youtube, in vgmuseum it doesn't show them to be alive after absorbing it though.

5. Really? Cause I am pretty sure Pyron's true power alone could solo all of Makai with the exception of Jedah. And you have no idea how powerful some aliens in the universe are at all. There is no grounds to say Makai is more powerful than the universe other than pure speculation.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. A Pyron empowered Demitri you mean. 😄

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And also, there is no real proof that Demitri absorbed true form Pyron's power, or just Mortal Pyron, in fact it is kinda obvious it was only Mortal, as true form Pyron has the power of countless galaxies at his disposal and Demitri never showed to have that kinda output of power.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
4. That ending isn't on youtube, in vgmuseum it doesn't show them to be alive after absorbing it though.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
5. Really? Cause I am pretty sure Pyron's true power alone could solo all of Makai with the exception of Jedah..

Altho Morrigan at full power can kill them both at their KNOWN levels of power.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And you have no idea how powerful some aliens in the universe are at all. There is no grounds to say Makai is more powerful than the universe other than pure speculation.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Also, when has it been claimed Pyron has eaten stars? Just outta curiosity.

Some where on Shoryuken.com in the DS thread, it was stated by Saiki and a few others. Altho I WOULD NOT beleive er thing Saiki and the gang was talkin about in that thread, I was yung and dumb to DS as well.

But the thread IS very helpful, I will see if I can get a link or even find the thread.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Here it is...

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154458

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Smart ass 😄
So what, you think Pyron cut his true power out and hid it some where out side of his body?

Well, it goes like...the humans make the comment and it zooms out to the planet around his finger...actually rotates too.

Damm'it! Except Pyron and Jedah...

Altho Morrigan at full power can kill them both at their KNOWN levels of power.

If there were other powerful aliens, Pyron would have fought'em.

2. Sumthin like that, or he can manually lower his own power.

3. I see. Kewl. This actually shows pretty good matter manipulation on Pyron's part.

4. Lulz.

Morrigan at full power is a general unknown, and it can be argued that Jedah at his level of power he would of had after completing his plans would be stronger.

5. Not true. Pyron himself hasn't explored the entire universe, even he doesn't know everything that is out there. He hasn't even explored the Anromeda, and even expressed a hope their was powerful beings there to challenge him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Sumthin like that, or he can manually lower his own power

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Morrigan at full power is a general unknown, and it can be argued that Jedah at his level of power he would of had after completing his plans would be stronger.

Now if jedah succeeds in his plans and Pyron fights for real, it's pretty much unknown.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
5. Not true. Pyron himself hasn't explored the entire universe, even he doesn't know everything that is out there. He hasn't even explored the Anromeda, and even expressed a hope their was powerful beings there to challenge him.

There is no winner....

Even if it was regular Jedah VS regular Pyron because every single 1 of Jedahs feats he accomplished while in a severely weakened state. He had just come 2-gether after b-ing destroyed. And every single 1 of Pyrons feats he did while well....lallygagging. He has never been serious even win he is HUGE.

And this whole thing Jedah BFRing him isn't 100% true, Pyron has never been shown at full power, we have no idea if he can actually travel in and out of dimensions, the guy didn't even no Makai existed. If he did he might have gone there instead because yes, Pyron did actually wipe out all worthy foes N the universe. N his intro N DS 2 he calls Earth the "final frontier" and after that he would be king. Now I'm not saying he killed every thing N the universe, just saying he killed every thing that could prove to B a challenge.

Also, saying Jedah will win because he killed Demetri/Pyron is erroneous as well, they fought but they never finished. The thing with him killing Demetri came from a drama CD which has yet to be said canon.

Sooooo....Anita isn't in DS3/VS2

Demetri is still alive

and 9 times out of 10, Morrigan will be the one to kill Jedah.

And that's all I have to say about that. Just imagine if SFIV does well we might get a DSIV and an RSIII. Can't wait 4 that.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
There is no winner....

Even if it was regular Jedah VS regular Pyron because every single 1 of Jedahs feats he accomplished while in a severely weakened state. He had just come 2-gether after b-ing destroyed. And every single 1 of Pyrons feats he did while well....lallygagging. He has never been serious even win he is HUGE.

And this whole thing Jedah BFRing him isn't 100% true, Pyron has never been shown at full power, we have no idea if he can actually travel in and out of dimensions, the guy didn't even no Makai existed. If he did he might have gone there instead because yes, Pyron did actually wipe out all worthy foes N the universe. N his intro N DS 2 he calls Earth the "final frontier" and after that he would be king. Now I'm not saying he killed every thing N the universe, just saying he killed every thing that could prove to B a challenge.

Also, saying Jedah will win because he killed Demetri/Pyron is erroneous as well, they fought but they never finished. The thing with him killing Demetri came from a drama CD which has yet to be said canon.

Sooooo....Anita isn't in DS3/VS2

Demetri is still alive

and 9 times out of 10, Morrigan will be the one to kill Jedah.

And that's all I have to say about that. Just imagine if SFIV does well we might get a DSIV and an RSIII. Can't wait 4 that.

And I read some where that the Drama CD was canon....I think. Man, I can't wait for that DS art book to come, they say its a SFEC equivalent.

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????????

Wouldnt you want to know flirt

Yes, I would.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
I do not agree wit that...at all, I have seen no proof of that.

Well, Belail said that if she were to reach full power not even jedah could stop her...in so many words.

Now if jedah succeeds in his plans and Pyron fights for real, it's pretty much unknown.

By that endin Pyron would already be dead. I think Pyron pretty much explored all the spots that interested him, which is why in his DS2 endin he claims to be the ruler of the universe AFTER he killed the DS.

2. Kay...And Jedah's full power is entirely unknown, oh, and Jedah at that point had not achieved his full potential, absorbing the human dimension and shit I mean.

Dur.

3. Yeah, but the people who made him still said that he still has not explored the Andromeda yet. Why lie? All the spots that he knows of, Pyron is not Omniscient. And he can claim to be ruler of the universe all he wants, he has claimed to be all powerful, yet is not(as far as we know).

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. There has been no proof at all exactly how Pyron weakened himself, my guess is as good as yours.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Kay...And Jedah's full power is entirely unknown, oh, and Jedah at that point had not achieved his full potential, absorbing the human dimension and shit I mean.

Dur.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. Yeah, but the people who made him still said that he still has not explored the Andromeda yet. Why lie? All the spots that he knows of, Pyron is not Omniscient. And he can claim to be ruler of the universe all he wants, he has claimed to be all powerful, yet is not(as far as we know).

1.Earth had more promise and stronger foes. Pyron cleared that whole damn univerese of any real power. Pyron would go to Andomeda cuz he would have no choice.

2.That endin is X-TREMLY non canon, not only did the endin never happen but he was never even in that game canonly. The creators just threw that endin together cuz he had to have one.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Dude he powered down. That's like Android 17 powerin down before he was eaten by Cell and then sayin cuz 17 wasn't at his best when Cell ate'im he doesn't have all of 17's power.

Alls I'm sayin is Jedah at fullpower but has yet to suced in his plans will loose to Morrigan, Morrigan is the only character who at fullpower can take on any DS character and win, for sure.

He went to Andromeda cuz...

1.Earth had more promise and stronger foes. Pyron cleared that whole damn univerese of any real power. Pyron would go to Andomeda cuz he would have no choice.

2.That endin is X-TREMLY non canon, not only did the endin never happen but he was never even in that game canonly. The creators just threw that endin together cuz he had to have one.

2. Prove it. Belial can say whatever the hell he wants, no matter how much he wishes he was, he was not Omniscient. Belial had no knowledge of Pyron's existence, nor was he aware that Jedah had a plan that would give him new power.

3. Prove it. He hasn't explored all of the universe, you have no proof at all he cleared it of all real power.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Prove it. You have no evidence to support any of this. How he powered down is very vague, we only know he did it to make himself on equal footing with the Dsers.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Prove it. Belial can say whatever the hell he wants, no matter how much he wishes he was, he was not Omniscient. Belial had no knowledge of Pyron's existence, nor was he aware that Jedah had a plan that would give him new power.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. Prove it. He hasn't explored all of the universe, you have no proof at all he cleared it of all real power.

Dude, after he kills off the DS he says he is now king, ruler of the universe, no one else can stop him. Earth and the DS were last on the to do list. After he beats the DS he just goes about eatin the rest of the universes. That's in his endin, the DS2 endin, a game he was in canonly.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Well, you prove yur argument. My argument at the very least is more logical and simple. I have no proof but it makes more sense.

Pyron is not phuckin wit Belial, dude could kill Jedah FOR SURE in 1 move. Pyron could never do that. And Belail is equal to or might be even weaker than a full powered Morrigan. The chick was an S class DS as baby. As a baby she could kill Demetri. Belail aint Omniscient but he's smart enuff to know what his foes can and cannot do. He wouldn't put her her in a position to rule if he knew she couldn't adequately defend herself, he aint Omniscient but he's smart enuff to be damn near which is pretty good. Even if Jedah had succeeded in his plans he wouldn't be THAT MUCH stronger. Jedah + all the power of Makai wont be enuff to beat Belial. Hell, Belail had to beat every worthy foe in Makai to reach the top. He WAS Makai. Which is why Jedah didn't succeed and now Morrigan has taken his place, Jedah still wont succeed.

No, I didn't say he explored the WHOLE universe (he did travel to the furthest corners tho), he had no need to.

Dude, after he kills off the DS he says he is now king, ruler of the universe, no one else can stop him. Earth and the DS were last on the to do list. After he beats the DS he just goes about eatin the rest of the universes. That's in his endin, the DS2 endin, a game he was in canonly.

2. Pyron can't kill Jedah in one move? Lol, PROVE IT. Jedah has NO durability feats AT ALL. Full powered Morrigan has NOTHING to say she is stronger than Jedah, Belial, OR Pyron. Sure, Belial said that Morrigan was stronger than Jedah...But Belial was an idiot who thought too highly of his own "omniscience." When it all came down to it...Belial ended up killing himself. He wouldn't be that much stronger? By your own words, Belial is Makai. If Jedah absorbed Makai, he would be Makai. Jedah, would be BELIAL in essence, oh wait, he would be more, he was going to absorb the human world too. Belial can destroy 100 Makai nobles with one arm. Jedah devoured every living thing in Makai's soul with a gesture. Their powerlevels are not as far apart as you would like to believe.

3. Pyron can say whatever he wants, Pyron I admit is VERY arrogant. Pyron isn't omniscient either.