Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't think there is no need to wait for anything. It really isn't that BIG of a deal.
Well, sure, if you feel that way. But it's clear that to some people the IMDB table has some sort of significance, and to them I just wanted to point out that the current situation is not actually accurate in so far as that list having any meaning; it will only become accurate over time.
Originally posted by BackFire
WD, you ignore where I said this explaining that I don't care that Godfather and Shawshank were knocked down.I don't care, I simply don't agree, that's all. That's all it's ever been.
Because you said this -- and then you proceeded to lie about what I said, claiming I introduced the premise that older movies are inherently better, even though I never said that. If you go back and read, most of the argument hasn't been about the dark knight, it's been about you misconstruing what I said and me correcting you about that.
Not asking you to be perfect, just for you to take a second to make sure that your sentences that can be read at first glance, rather than forcing the reader to sit there and try and figure out what the heck you mean.
Not interested in throwing mud. But if you respond rudely to me I will do the same right back to you. Also, pointing out poor reasoning isn't slinging mud.
No, what started this exchange is your rude and obnoxious post about communist china and lying about something that I didn't say about old movies being better. I could care less about your opinion about movies because I know that such opinions are subjective.
You misspelled cracker.
I was perfectly happy. I was simply disagreeing.
What does this have to do with anything I said? I know TDK is probably the best comic book movie ever made. What does that have to do with you lying again and saying that I implied that Shawshank is the best prison movie ever made. Again, I never said this. It's funny, you say I don't know the difference between opinion and fact, yet you act as if it's fact that Shawshank is worse than the other three prison movies you mention.
Why would I be reading a Godfather's fan blog? There is no proof, the evidence though, is in the fact that in some movies on IMDB, people start rating them very high and give them a falsely high rating in the days prior to it's release. This is before anyone would be able to see the movie. Studios do this to help the hype. They did it with Cloverfield and I Am Legend. And apparently they did it with Dark Knight. The difference is TDK rating didn't drop when people actually started watching the movie.
I quoted you. But my quote was polite and decent towards you. Yours was not. Yours was rude and obnoxious and filled with lies about what I actually said. You can't expect to lie about what someone said and not expect them to come at you hard about it. The lesson is, don't do it.
Love you too Backfire.
Originally posted by BackFire
I won't be making it this year. I missed last year, too. Didn't really like it very much the last time I was there, and my friend who I usually hang out with while there isn't around these days. Are you going to be there any other days? Or was Thursday your only one?
I'm here right now. I arrived on Thursday. Will be here today and tomorrow. The lines are as ridiciolusly long same as last year. You really have to be here at 5 am to get a decent spot in line to pick up the badge. I'm just taking a long break. I'm making a video so you'll get the idea. We'll chat more later. There is so much good shit to do.
Saw it last knight!, it IS the greatest comic book based movie and one of the best films i have ever seen. Ledgers performance is no Joke, he was the real deal in this, and he deserves an oscar for his performance, it was masterful.
The only thing that may tar his achievement if he gets an oscar, is some Bonehead press may say he only got it BECAUSE he died. I dont believe that, at all.
This Joker performance is the performance of the year no doubt about it.
- seeing it again in a few, and i havn't wanted to sit through a repeat of a movie EVER, since Goonies.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Alot of the people over at IMDB were outraged that TDK trumped movies like The Godfather and the Shawshank Redemption on the top 250 list.So you know what they did? They made multiple accounts and kept scoring the movie 1/10 until it was lowered down to spot 3. And now it's down to number 4.
IMDB is a stupid site, they believe anything for two weeks I recall they had under their actors for the movie and their parts Rosemary Harris aka Aunt May listed as playing both Aunt May and Carnage. 😕
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Alot of the people over at IMDB were outraged that TDK trumped movies like The Godfather and the Shawshank Redemption on the top 250 list.So you know what they did? They made multiple accounts and kept scoring the movie 1/10 until it was lowered down to spot 3. And now it's down to number 4.
TDK fans did that too. They spammed 1/10 rating for both Shawshank and Godfather.
Still, nobody gave any heat to the Shawshank and Godfather fans. No, they were 'cool'. TDK? Silly rabid fanboys with no knowledge of movie history.
To destroy the misconception of TDK reviews being random and thoughtless, take a look at IGN. Most 10/10 reviews are well thought-out and extremely detailed.
Of course I don't feel TDK is the number one movie of all time (IMO, it deserves to have an 8.5-ish rating), but people overreacted to the gushing it received. Which will likely put a black spot on the movie, forever.
Why cant people just accept that TDK sucked LOL! And realize Batman Begins is just god damn superior . List of simple reasons: No maggie gyllensuck , batmans voice wasnt like nails on a chalkboard, it had RAZ in it, the scarecrow was hilarious , action and story was solid, the timing of the film was just right, the film made batman look like he was flying, and made his eyes glow white in certain scenes. Id say Batman Begins felt like a true comic film , it had realistic tones , but that fantasy element was still there too. That element felt completely absent in the next movie, cause nolan JUST had to bring it down to earth. So far down you might as well call Gotham City , Chicago now.
But of course people point out the flaws and i note them as well. oh batmans fighting was all choppy blah blah. I dont understand this complaint , when i watched it in the theatre i took it as a visual storytelling. Nolan was emphasizing batmans speed, something lacking in other stiff fighting batman flicks. Ill also point out that i had a problem with some of the dialogue and its delivery. It did seem a bit pretentious and cornball. Great example is the whole Rachel dawes character, and her whole rant about " revenge and justice". Ive never heard a women jump from one sentence to another without taking a breath , especially considering the depth of the subject matter she was talking about. To much for any women, then again she was in dawsons creek. That whole show had delusions of eloquence. And she finishes it off with 2 slaps. One more example is Nolans crappy use of comic relief. And he exercises this both in batman begins and the dark knight. By using those goofy ass , crappy acting cops . I cringe every time that underground freeway scene pops up.
But all this was amplified in the dark knight, like cranked up to 11. Ive tried watching it like 5 times , without rolling my eyes, its just to damn cheesy. I didnt even buy the actual dvd, i got 2 boot legged copies on christmas, THAT I DIDNT EVEN WANT. Thats how ridiculous the hype has become, TDK is everywhere like hollywood diarrhea . Face it, like Mayor Gavin Newsom says " Whether you like it or not!" Alot of the success has to do with over salivating Heath Ledger. He did a pretty good job as the joker, but he stole the show. This is a problem cause he made Christian Bale look like a putz. It felt less about Batman all over again. In Begins , thing stayed consistent , he was still the main character. You couldn't wait for batman to show up again, he was so badass at long last. But now, he got the Billy Batts treatment, " Now go home and get your shinebox batman". 10 years down the line people will complain about TDK, the way they complained about burtons films being to much about the villains. Hardly a Masterpiece. Not even close. "What do you believe in huh?! WHAT do YOu believe IN!?!" ........Roflmao
I know what i just said is probably blasphemous in the eyes of current bandwagon dark knight fans. And they probably want to nail me on a rock and let carrions pick at my liver. But you guys are no better then fatty Twilight fans.
All in all thats what im trying to say in my stupid rant. I personally prefer Batman Begins, its powerful and it can stand alone. It didnt try so hard, and was well made, and kept a low profile like most of Nolans earlier work. It did its number successfully, even in the shadow of Revenge of the Sith. Its up there with my other comic favorites : The Crow, Sin City and eventually Watchmen (if they dont F it up). The TDK will always play second fiddle next to BB in my movie collection. But at least it gave a fresh spin on Two Face and the Joker. Whenever the " Ill look into it" scene comes up, theres no longer a void, because now the Joker has a face in that universe.
Originally posted by Altar[1stONE]
All in all thats what im trying to say in my stupid rant. I personally prefer Batman Begins, its powerful and it can stand alone.
Good for you. But the fact is that most people prefer The Dark Knight.
Nobody has to "accept" anything. Your opinion is not a fact, shocking as you may find that to be. You just listed off a bunch of your opinions on what you liked and disliked, and expect everyone to accept that as law?
Get over yourself and "accept" that nobody, repeat nobody has to like what you like. Capeesh?
Worthy attempt but dont patronize me ock, you jumped the gun on this one, as always. I made it clear that yes its a preference and opinion.
"You just listed off a bunch of your opinions on what you liked and disliked, and expect everyone to accept that as law?"
Bit overdramatic , i didnt expect that at all, i dont know how you came to that conclusion, nothing i said was to overbearing nor demanding. On the contrary the whole thing is a big joke to me. And people like yourself or so god damn sensitive when someone disagrees. I just wanted to see if there were others who felt the same way about the film.
"The fact is most people prefer the Dark knight" ,
Because its the movie of the week, the hype hasn't even died down yet , and its still being spoon fed as some masterpiece. Once thats all said and done for, i guarantee the general consensus will change. Remember all the starwars prequel fans? From what ive been reading, doesnt seem like they believe those movies to be as perfect as before.
"Get over yourself and "accept" that nobody, repeat nobody has to like what you like. Capeesh? "
Typical High Horse sh** from doc ock, you are no voice of the people or some guru As shocking as you may find that to be.🙄 Your another freak with opinions like the rest of us. Why dont you get over yourself, you seem to be constantly on the attack , but most of us could do without your "services".
I'm not going to attack your anti-TDK argument (I argue on opinions too much in any case), but really, TDK is the 'movie of the week'? WTF? Seriously. TDK haters need to stop pretending that it's just 'another' movie heralded by the masses as 'teh best film eva', only to be forgotten when the next fanboy phenomenon occurs. It's definitely not. Just 'hype'? Come ON. It's not as if movies like this are regularly dished out. When did you ever see such a universally glowing reception to an immensely popular film? Did you? Outside of maaaybe LotR, I can't think of anything.
'Movie of the week' my ass. It's been years since a movie was this popular.
Originally posted by Altar[1stONE]
Worthy attempt but dont patronize me ock, you jumped the gun on this one, as always. I made it clear that yes its a preference and opinion.
Did you now? So what's this:
Why cant people just accept that TDK sucked LOL! And realize Batman Begins is just god damn superior
Oh and I just love your closing comment:
But you guys are no better then fatty Twilight fans.
And you accuse me of patronizing? LOL! Look at you, you couldn't even respond without name calling. There is no sensitivity here. I have no problem with people preferring Begins, or even hating the Dark Knight. What I can't stand is pompous arrogant attitudes like yours who state their OPINION as a fact in such an arrogant fashion, and then insulting all the fans of the movie like you did above.
So spare me the mock indignation. It's laughable.