How sad are you that we won't have Joker in part 3?

Exactly Heath wasn't a recast and his Joker was completely different from Jack's. Unless the Joker is going to go through some kind of drastic change that is explained on screen there is no way IMO to recast him. The recast of Rachel Dawes only worked because Katie Holmes and Maggie IMO sucked about the same and there's no one who I have ever heard of who was really a fan of that character enough to care that she was changed...and

Spoiler:
she died so who gives crap?

I'm sadder about the fact that Heath isn't around to see the appreciation that Batman fans have for his portrayal of The Joker in TDK.

When I heard about his death back in January I was gutted, even more so after watching TDK last Saturday. To think this fine actor won't be starring in another movie, let alone a Batman movie, is a really sad fact. And he was only 28...

If Nolan decides to recast Joker's character for a third Batman movie then fair play to him, providing he gets it right. I think he's done excellent with both Begins and TDK that I would trust him on handling the third movie.

If Nolan decides that there is no need for Joker's character to be in the third movie, it won't be that big a deal for me. There are plenty of Bat villains around to make a couple of more movies.

In loving memory of Heath, and to mark what a monumental performance he gave, i dont think that - even with a 3rd movie - they should re-cast the character, infact maybe they should leave Joker out of the third, im not a fan of having multiple prominent baddies in a flick anyway.

Not at all.For a MOVIE,you dont want to see the same villain in a sequal again.Sure it worked for superman II but that was a rare exception that worked well since Lex is just a normal looking guy.For a tv show it would be great to have him in more shows but for a movie,you want to see different villains and and avoid doing the Burton/Schumacher thing by using two villains.

Well it seems Nolan had failed in regards to 2 villians in BOTH Batman movies,

movie 1, Scarecrow and Al Ghul. Boom 2 movies.

Movie II, we had Scarecrow again, Joker, Twoface. Thats 3 villians.

People say used the 1 villian thing, but when Nolan does not obey that rule, they seem to "Forget".

Al Ghul was just brief at the beginning though.He was so brief dying at the beginning,they shouldnt have even botherd with him.I always thought he was unnessary to be in the film.

For Dark Knight that was just to show us that Scarecrow was still around as a villan was my impression because he pretty much vanished at that point never to be seen again after they showed him.Another unnessary thing on Nolans part I would say.With Two Face,we didnt see him till close to the end of the movie when he went bad.For most of the movie,we just saw the build up to Two Face.We didnt see Two Face till close to the end.Most of it was Bruce and Harvey Dents friendship together.Something that was neccessary to build up to Two Face which I assume we will see more of as a villan in the next film.I dont believe for a second that he is dead.It would be pretty stupid for Nolan to build him up like that just to have him die.I dont see Nolan pulling a Burton on us by killing off one of his villains after being in the film for so long.Thats a Burton/Schumacher thing.

I thought it was great having him in the story, but we all think differently. I really liked the way he was depicted in Begins.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Al Ghul was just brief at the beginning though.He was so brief dying at the beginning,they shouldnt have even botherd with him.I always thought he was unnessary to be in the film.

For Dark Knight that was just to show us that Scarecrow was still around as a villan was my impression because he pretty much vanished at that point never to be seen again after they showed him.Another unnessary thing on Nolans part I would say.With Two Face,we didnt see him till close to the end of the movie when he went bad.For most of the movie,we just saw the build up to Two Face.We didnt see Two Face till close to the end.Most of it was Bruce and Harvey Dents friendship together.Something that was neccessary to build up to Two Face which I assume we will see more of as a villan in the next film.I dont believe for a second that he is dead.It would be pretty stupid for Nolan to build him up like that just to have him die.I dont see Nolan pulling a Burton on us by killing off one of his villains after being in the film for so long.Thats a Burton/Schumacher thing.

Oh the other thing I wanted to add on to this joker that I also wanted to say is as long as its done the way Nolan did it like having Harvery Dent throughout most the film and then having him become the villain like he did at the end-as long as he's NOT dead and is alive in the sequal and we have him in that movie,then Im fine with the way Nolan did it.You just cant do it the way Burton and Schumacher did having them team up like that and be partners the whole movie the way they did it.as i said,thought the ras al ghoul thing was unnessary and same with scarecrow in the dark knight.they have their faults to but they at least didnt have the teamup thing like the burton/schumacher films did so thats acceptable the way Nolan did it.

I'm glad that Nolan won't be replacing Heath's Joker, it just wouldn't seem right to me.

Someone did mention having Harley Quinn be in the next movie and be inspired by the Joker's actions, so she terrorizes the city. Although that's a good idea, I don't know if Harley could work without the Joker....but I love the character so it'd be nice to see.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Al Ghul was just brief at the beginning though.He was so brief dying at the beginning,they shouldnt have even botherd with him.I always thought he was unnessary to be in the film.

For Dark Knight that was just to show us that Scarecrow was still around as a villan was my impression because he pretty much vanished at that point never to be seen again after they showed him.Another unnessary thing on Nolans part I would say.With Two Face,we didnt see him till close to the end of the movie when he went bad.For most of the movie,we just saw the build up to Two Face.We didnt see Two Face till close to the end.Most of it was Bruce and Harvey Dents friendship together.Something that was neccessary to build up to Two Face which I assume we will see more of as a villan in the next film.I dont believe for a second that he is dead.It would be pretty stupid for Nolan to build him up like that just to have him die.I dont see Nolan pulling a Burton on us by killing off one of his villains after being in the film for so long.Thats a Burton/Schumacher thing.

That was a body double. It was not the real Al Ghul. The real one had the plot useing Scarecrow's gas to flood the city.

Oh...I see what he was referring to now and yes, that was a fake Al Ghul. Not a body double, but someone who was pretending to be Ra's as I guess he does it so he has a fall guy.

I'm sad that Heath isn't around to reprise the role, but like many of you have said, I'm also glad that Nolan won't recast the role and tarnish Ledger's work in The Dark Knight. Also I'm sad that he's not around to recieve all the praise he's been getting.

Yeah, he's become like...a Legend, and he's not even here to see it. But I know he's smiling down on us as we speak. 🙂

Originally posted by Da Joker
Yeah, he's become like...a Legend, and he's not even here to see it. But I know he's smiling down on us as we speak. 🙂

How creepy and awesome. 😂

This movie is less than a month old and w're all casting absolute certainty over what should happen next. The media is even following suit...which shoudl show how stupid they really are. That's the sad part? Two-Face might be alive, he might not be. The producers have said it was all done with intent. Producers have said they'd rather Catwoman wasn't in the film. Riddler might have been set up in The Dark Knight to be the next villain, via Engel. It can go on and on. But if anything from the last two Batman movies have shown us anything, it's that we'll all be happy and nothing we expect to happen in regards to casting will happen and we'll al e pleased despite it. I hope Depp doesn't get the Riddler; I hope Hoffman doesn't get the Penguin; I hope Jolie doesn't get Catwoman; I hope [insert name] doesn't get[insert name]. This is, I can honestly say, the first time I have not been let down by a film maker in over a decade and the first time a film maker has far surpassed my expectations; and they were the same film maker. I leave the franchise in Mr. Nolan's capable hands. I'd love to see some excellent characters get their time in the sun. And those characters, like Man Bat or Deadshot have gotten it. I hope that trend continues for characters like Penguin or Clayface or Hugo Strange or Black Mask; in the Gotham Knight-type handling of the franchise. And I hope that Ledger's stellar performance is only paid tribute to in a Gotham Knight handling of a full-length story featuring his scared, apathetic and deranged Joker. That pretty much sums up my desire to express my thoughts on Batman. So I'll take my leave. Cheers. See you in another 3 years. (Or at least 2 years, when the fangasm makes a difference.)

Two Batman villains in a movie is not just a Burton Shumacher thing. Both the Nolan films have had two villains in them. Nolan just told stories better with them. But two villains is not necessarily a bad thing.

Unless you're Sam Raimi...

Originally posted by Da Joker
Unless you're Sam Raimi...

If he couldn't handle three, I'm doubt he could even handle two villains. Either way, I hate Sam Raimi, especially after the injustice done to Venom.