Ultimecia and Sephiroth vs Jecht and Vayne

BEST villians

trance kuja
sephiroth
kefka

most POWERFUL villians

necron
vayne with venat behind him
time compression ultimecia/griever hybrid
bizaaro/safer sephiroth

the most powerful CHARACTERS/ENTITIES

necron/ozma
zodiark esper/omega weapon MK2
NEMESIS/EDEN{the gf}/ARK{eidolon}/knights of the round table
yojimbo

having said that i wud also agree that team one takes it. the problem with team 2 is JECHT. even as the final aeon/yu yevon, he was only really planet ending material. while all thre others, venat, ultimecia, and sephiroth were more like world ending villians.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Dude...I HAVE read most of that, I am well aware of the facts about Ultimecia and the theories, I just don't like her.

What bothered me much is the timing of her being revealed if you know what I mean.

EDIT: And the fact that love and friendship overpowered her Time Compression. That was totally gay.

actually it was RINOA'S love which overpowered the time compression, because rinoa was ALSO a sorceress like ultimecia if you were paying attention.

Then what was with the totally manly speech by Laguna about how you have to believe in your friends to survive Time Compression?

And your list is flawed. Sephiroth in AC was more powerful than Safer or Bizarro.

The most powerful entity in FF is Fat Chocobo. Respect.

rinoa beleived in cloud, who was apparently dead, but her BELEIF in him split the clouds and destroyed the spell and awakened him and everything else in the world. sephiroth in advenmt children didnt even have a single one of his wings.

fat chocobo is a technicality sinc eu have to have pocketstation to power up his choco comet. in the sense of technicalities, id have to say the streasure mymic from the tomb of omega in ffx is strongest since he cannot be killed by any attack other than a forced eject by auron's limit break{which i discovered for myself}, or what about the magic urns in ffx, who cud only be killed by zanmato, or what about yojimbo's zanmato itself, which can kill ANY being including nemesis in a single blow????

necron and ozma are definately the strongest.

Human Jecht's only feat was injuring a shwoop or whatever the name is of those hammerhead aliens in FF10.

Jecht can also be in the form of Sin, or the Final Aeon who is Sin's butt whipper.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
rinoa beleived in cloud, who was apparently dead, but her BELEIF in him split the clouds and destroyed the spell and awakened him and everything else in the world. sephiroth in advenmt children didnt even have a single one of his wings.

fat chocobo is a technicality sinc eu have to have pocketstation to power up his choco comet. in the sense of technicalities, id have to say the streasure mymic from the tomb of omega in ffx is strongest since he cannot be killed by any attack other than a forced eject by auron's limit break{which i discovered for myself}, or what about the magic urns in ffx, who cud only be killed by zanmato, or what about yojimbo's zanmato itself, which can kill ANY being including nemesis in a single blow????

necron and ozma are definately the strongest.

What does Sephiroths wings have to do with anything? AC Sephiroth was stated to be the most powerful version of Sephiroth, because he gained control over the negative lifestream, what feats does Vayne or Necron have thats put him above Ultimecia and AC Sephiroth?

All of Sin's feats, apply if Jecht can be in that form, as he was 90% of the time in FF10.

Why not just make it SIN instead of Jecht?

Well whoever started it was thinking of the name Jecht...and probably had not Sin in mind at all.

I am just saying, we can consider Sin's power if Jecht is allowed to be Sin.

And for the record, everything Sin did in X, was when Sin and Jecht were 1 entity.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
rinoa beleived in cloud, who was apparently dead, but her BELEIF in him split the clouds and destroyed the spell and awakened him and everything else in the world. sephiroth in advenmt children didnt even have a single one of his wings.

fat chocobo is a technicality sinc eu have to have pocketstation to power up his choco comet. in the sense of technicalities, id have to say the streasure mymic from the tomb of omega in ffx is strongest since he cannot be killed by any attack other than a forced eject by auron's limit break{which i discovered for myself}, or what about the magic urns in ffx, who cud only be killed by zanmato, or what about yojimbo's zanmato itself, which can kill ANY being including nemesis in a single blow????

necron and ozma are definately the strongest.

Seriously, I can't understand a single thing you just said. 😐

rofl @ fat chocobo

I also think that second paragraph is a bunch randomness and lol

Originally posted by Terryc250
What does Sephiroths wings have to do with anything? AC Sephiroth was stated to be the most powerful version of Sephiroth, because he gained control over the negative lifestream, what feats does Vayne or Necron have thats put him above Ultimecia and AC Sephiroth?

he was said to be the strongest, but not by sakaguchi and stuff. it was the makers of the animation. it isnt a negetive lifestream really, its just the lifestream tainted with jenovah's cells. i still beleive bizaaro and safer sephiroth were stronger.

as for wayne, well, he was trying to destroy the laws of the entire universe with venat.

and necron is pretty self explanatory, he was a being created at the beginning of everything, and his only person was being the antithesis to existance itself, his purpose, was to return ALL things, all dimension, all lives/souls/expiriences/space/time, to the zero dimension. in this way, he was the ender of all existance. nuthing else ive seen in the FF series can claim to be so utterly destructive. oh, he also lives outside existance and cud only be accessed when the primordial crystall , form which all worlds and memories emenated, was destroyed by trance kuja.

oh hey, not to mention ff9, was the best of the series.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
he was said to be the strongest, but not by sakaguchi and stuff. it was the makers of the animation. it isnt a negetive lifestream really, its just the lifestream tainted with jenovah's cells. i still beleive bizaaro and safer sephiroth were stronger.

as for wayne, well, he was trying to destroy the laws of the entire universe with venat.

and necron is pretty self explanatory, he was a being created at the beginning of everything, and his only person was being the antithesis to existance itself, his purpose, was to return ALL things, all dimension, all lives/souls/expiriences/space/time, to the zero dimension. in this way, he was the ender of all existance. nuthing else ive seen in the FF series can claim to be so utterly destructive. oh, he also lives outside existance and cud only be accessed when the primordial crystall , form which all worlds and memories emenated, was destroyed by trance kuja.

oh hey, not to mention ff9, was the best of the series.

No.. there was never a statement of who was the strongest antagonists, it was stated as a "negative lifestream" by Tetsuya i believe, yes the negative lifestream is the lifestream tainted with j-cells thus making it under Sephiroth control, it still has powers over power,magic,life,energy.. it was officially stated that Sephiroth ascended to new heights of power in AC, he even became the new evolution of Jenova

Trying to destroy the laws of the universe means nothing, whats his feats and abilities that put him as one of the more powerful FF characters.

But what was Necrons feats/abilities? His goal/purpose doesn't mean much, he was defeated by the FF9 party =\

Time Compressed Ultimecia, succeeded in compressed all of space and time, and was about to remake existance in her image

Neo Ex-death was about to destroy all dimensions, and all of existance, and he actually had feats to back up his power.

again that was said by the team that made the animation, not hironobu or any1 like thta. again its my oppinion. trying to destroy the laws of the universe means everything, if u were paying attention, everything works under the gods and venat broke away from the gods and was powering a rebellion against all that was.

ex death wasnt succesful in destroying everything, neither was necron. but the crystal from which all creation emenated was destroyed, this is fact. and that let necron come into normal existance, his purpose was clearly stated, it was the same as trance kuja, who sought to destroy all of existance, and reached its origin through the collective memories of the universe in memoria. he is by far the most powerful villian to grace final fantasy. he failed, because zidane and his team represented the desire of the WORLD to exist "hope" in other words.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
again that was said by the team that made the animation, not hironobu or any1 like thta. again its my oppinion. trying to destroy the laws of the universe means everything, if u were paying attention, everything works under the gods and venat broke away from the gods and was powering a rebellion against all that was.

ex death wasnt succesful in destroying everything, neither was necron. but the crystal from which all creation emenated was destroyed, this is fact. and that let necron come into normal existance, his purpose was clearly stated, it was the same as trance kuja, who sought to destroy all of existance, and reached its origin through the collective memories of the universe in memoria. he is by far the most powerful villian to grace final fantasy. he failed, because zidane and his team represented the desire of the WORLD to exist "hope" in other words.

Unless you show me a quote from a reliable source I dont buy it, i can say Edgar is the most powerful FF character, and say its stated by the creators of FF, but it doesn't mean a thing without proof

Again, trying to destroy everything means nothing, if Pinky and the Brain wanted to destroy the world would they be considered planet busters? Unless they successfully did or became close under their own powers, then it means something.

Ex-Death opened up dimension portals and was sucking everything in, cities, etc, what has Necron done? Stop telling me what his purpose or his goal is, it doesn't mean a thing, Sephiroth wanted to go from planet to planet taking all of the lifestream, should Sephiroth be considered a galaxy buster now? No, Sephiroth is a planet destroyer at best, and since you mentioned he had the same goals as trance kuja, shouldn't Kuja be a universal buster too then? Thats funny since Kuja is clearly only a planet buster at best, Kuja is nothing compared to exdeath or tc ultimecia

Ultimecia was consuming all of reality. 😐

Who in FF has topped that?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Unless you show me a quote from a reliable source I dont buy it, i can say Edgar is the most powerful FF character, and say its stated by the creators of FF, but it doesn't mean a thing without proof

Again, trying to destroy everything means nothing, if Pinky and the Brain wanted to destroy the world would they be considered planet busters? Unless they successfully did or became close under their own powers, then it means something.

Ex-Death opened up dimension portals and was sucking everything in, cities, etc, what has Necron done? Stop telling me what his purpose or his goal is, it doesn't mean a thing, Sephiroth wanted to go from planet to planet taking all of the lifestream, should Sephiroth be considered a galaxy buster now? No, Sephiroth is a planet destroyer at best, and since you mentioned he had the same goals as trance kuja, shouldn't Kuja be a universal buster too then? Thats funny since Kuja is clearly only a planet buster at best, Kuja is nothing compared to exdeath or tc ultimecia

what has necron done, well for one, he made the mist reappear, which respresented the cycle of life, he existed outside EXISTANCE, and this was proven by him appearing when the crystal was destroyed. its true that him and kuja had similar purposes, but that doesnt mean similar POWER. juja destroyed a world, but in trying to detsroying existance he had to reach the CRYSTAL which was the creator of all existance and to acheive his goal, he had to destroy the CRYSTAL which is differnet, powerwise from personally destroying all existance. the destruction of the CRYSTAL brought necron in the world, he explained that he existed for only one thing, to bring back EVERYTHING to the zero dimension, and he was going to do it, but team zidane, respresenting the will of the world to survive battles and defeated him. there is nothing debateable about this, everything clearly states that he was the end of existance. ultimecia was trying to remake the world in her own image by TIME compression, even though time affects reality, time is just one facet of ALL existance, necron was going to directly affect ALL existance, therefore, he is stronger than ultimecia.

fromt the looks of it, a lot of people here havent played final fantasy 9. pity really, its easily the greatest game in the franchise.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what has necron done, well for one, he made the mist reappear, which respresented the cycle of life, he existed outside EXISTANCE, and this was proven by him appearing when the crystal was destroyed. its true that him and kuja had similar purposes, but that doesnt mean similar POWER. juja destroyed a world, but in trying to detsroying existance he had to reach the CRYSTAL which was the creator of all existance and to acheive his goal, he had to destroy the CRYSTAL which is differnet, powerwise from personally destroying all existance. the destruction of the CRYSTAL brought necron in the world, he explained that he existed for only one thing, to bring back EVERYTHING to the zero dimension, and he was going to do it, but team zidane, respresenting the will of the world to survive battles and defeated him. there is nothing debateable about this, everything clearly states that he was the end of existance. ultimecia was trying to remake the world in her own image by TIME compression, even though time affects reality, time is just one facet of ALL existance, necron was going to directly affect ALL existance, therefore, he is stronger than ultimecia.

"I exist for one purpose..."
"To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life."
"In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all life desires."

So who knows what he had to do to destroy the world, all we know is that he lost in battle to the FF9 party, he has 0 battle feats, for all we know he might need preperation to return everything back to "zero world".

I'd say Time-Compressed Ultimecia, having power of all space, time, reality, is a far better feat then this

Or Exdeath on the verge of destroying all dimensions, reality, existence

Or even AC Sephiroth stopping Holy with willpower, becoming the Jenova entity, and taking control of the lifestream.

i think he said return everything to the zero "dimension". and no, if it was just the planet, trance kuja had already destroyed one and even the invincible and the eidolon ark or the spell doosday cud do it. the CRYSTAL was the birthplace of all EXISTANCE, you cann see al civilization, monsters, and even the stars themselves emenating from it. remember what kuja was tring to do, "if i cant exist, then NUTHING can exist" he was out to detsroy all of existance before he himself died due to the failsafe. necron is the entity that came out as a result of the destruction of the crystal of creation. and this is not hyperbole since the crystal was at the end of the memories of the entire UNIVERSE. so what he said was infact verifyable. also he is definately above planetary destroying level since his move , grand cross, was easily affecting elementally realligning the entire solar system etc. also, ultimecia was also defeated by said team, as was ex death.