Originally posted by janus77
it definitely looks more like anger than pain.
no matter Kitty's misgivings, she clearly severely under-estimated just what it would take to do anything beyond inconveniencing Hulk.the X-men threw the "containment" idea out the window, iirc. Elixer was part of the plan to try and take Hulk down no?
Too me it looks more like Pain than anger, WWH was always angry, he wasn't always screaming though.
No Elixir was inside the mansion healing the wounded at this point.
Originally posted by quanchi112But if no one has ever bfr'd him into space easily why do you claim its that easy?
Because Sentry didn't use his speed advantage at any point. As he will be going top speed in this fight he will be able to bfr Hulk easily because WWH was never shown to counter anyone moving that quickly. He a hard enought time tagging half the X-Men.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes both participants are going all out but if something has never happened such as this before you cant assume the Sentry does it easily. You cant just make things up without any comic book proof.
So just because Sentry hasn't done it in the comics he can't under any circumstances do it in a hypothetical fight, even though it's within his power to do so?
Poor argument.
Originally posted by The PictSentry was using his speed and flight to use momentum and his power against the Hulk.
Because Sentry didn't use his speed advantage at any point. As he will be going top speed in this fight he will be able to bfr Hulk easily because WWH was never shown to counter anyone moving that quickly. He a hard enought time tagging half the X-Men.So just because Sentry hasn't done it in the comics he can't under any circumstances do it in a hypothetical fight, even though it's within his power to do so?
Poor argument.
Again if you have zero proof someone can bfr the Hulk into space thats a poor argument.
If you have proof of someone easily grabbing the Hulk and bfr him post it.
As it stands I have WW Hulk beating the same very character you keep telling me will do it. So again who has the poor argument when all the evidence supports me while all you have is your opinion and no actual comic book proof.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry was using his speed and flight to use momentum and his power against the Hulk.Again if you have zero proof someone can bfr the Hulk into space thats a poor argument.
If you have proof of someone easily grabbing the Hulk and bfr him post it.
As it stands I have WW Hulk beating the same very character you keep telling me will do it. So again who has the poor argument when all the evidence supports me while all you have is your opinion and no actual comic book proof.
Under KMC Rules Sentry will be going at top speed, at WWH has never shown he can counter him. Can you prove that he can?
The evidence supports you? Don't make me laugh. I'm the only person producing any evidence, you're argument can be summed up as:"Sentry can't do that because he never has."
Originally posted by janus77
looks quite the same, you should see the initial bullrush, Sentry comes steaming in over a few panels too.and look, see the stream of golden light behind him and the speed lines?
that's definitely a bull rush at Hulk.
"Bull rush" means moving at lightpseed does it? Because the speed Sentry will be moving going by forum rules.
And as WWH wasn't talking at lightpseed and he see's Sentry coming it's proof Bob wasn't moving top speed.
But we're treading old ground here and moving in circles. Unless someone can prove that WWH can counter Sentry moving at lightpseed I see Sentry winning here, via Blitz or bfr.
Originally posted by The PictUhm my argument is supported by their actual fights and Hulk's history. at no point in time under my recollection has anyone picked him up while he is conscious and taken him to outer space.
Under KMC Rules Sentry will be going at top speed, at WWH has never shown he can counter him. Can you prove that he can?
The evidence supports you? Don't make me laugh. I'm the only person producing any evidence, you're argument can be summed up as:"Sentry can't do that because he never has."
Lets say you and I are fighting. I have the Hulks powers and you have sentrys. You try and take me up into outerspace while Im resisting. Aint gonna happen.
Again kmc rules imo support someone who actually goes by what the comics give us and not come up with some sort of win based on a feat that has never taken place in a comic book.
Originally posted by The Pict
"Bull rush" means moving at lightpseed does it? Because the speed Sentry will be moving going by forum rules.
And as WWH wasn't talking at lightpseed and he see's Sentry coming it's proof Bob wasn't moving top speed.But we're treading old ground here and moving in circles. Unless someone can prove that WWH can counter Sentry moving at lightpseed I see Sentry winning here, via Blitz or bfr.
Sentry was clearly doing that, did that with the first attack (was successful) and then with the follow up (wasn't successful).
you can speculate that Sentry could have gone at lightspeed, but then we don't actually know how fast Sentry can move over short distances, perhaps he needs to accelerate? perhaps he needs a thinner atmosphere and no drag to really hit top speed?
speed blitz would only piss Hulk off more, leading to Hulk unleashing energy attacks that would crack up the planet (way beyond Sentry's endurance levels).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm my argument is supported by their actual fights and Hulk's history. at no point in time under my recollection has anyone picked him up while he is conscious and taken him to outer space.Lets say you and I are fighting. I have the Hulks powers and you have sentrys. You try and take me up into outerspace while Im resisting. Aint gonna happen.
Again kmc rules imo support someone who actually goes by what the comics give us and not come up with some sort of win based on no comic book evidence.
If he picked up Hulk to take him into outerspace he'd be bfr himself as well, bfr'ing him would mean grabbing Hulk at top speed and throwing him away from the battlefield.
If I had Sentry's powers I'd be moving so fast you wouldn't see me and therefore not be resisting, which will be what's happening here.
Originally posted by The PictYes I know that.
If he picked up Hulk to take him into outerspace he'd be bfr himself as well, bfr'ing him would mean grabbing Hulk at top speed and throwing him away from the battlefield.If I had Sentry's powers I'd be moving so fast you wouldn't see me and therefore not be resisting, which will be what's happening here.
But if the Hulk was resisting he wouldnt just let Sentry take him into space.
When Superman bfrd Darkseid to space he did it after Ds was weakened. Again if grabbed me Id hit you immediately. How hard is it to figure out that your trying to carry me off the planet?
I think the problem here is that, in theory, someone who moves at lightspeed should be able to make a complex series of manoeuvres against an opponent who doesn't move have such speed.
however, because comics need drama, almost all big characters are shown - on-panel - to be capable of reacting in-time to such manoeuvres. the only time I can recall Hulk being too slow to react, is against Surfer. Surfer's also bull rushed Terrax.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes I know that.But if the Hulk was resisting he wouldnt just let Sentry take him into space.
When Superman bfrd Darkseid to space he did it after Ds was weakened. Again if grabbed me Id hit you immediately. How hard is it to figure out that your trying to carry me off the planet?
Are you reading my posts? Do I need to use caps and type them in bold?
CARRYING HULK AWAY WOULD RESULT IN SENTRY BFR'ING HIMSELF AS WELL SO HE WON'T BE CARRYING HULK ANYWHERE HE WILL BE THROWING/SHOVING/PUNCHING WWH AWAY FROM THE BATTLEFIELD
And at top speeds no less which you've still to show that WWH can counter.
I can see why you tried to disprove the bfr'ing argument earlier but I never said WWH was getting carried away anywhere.
Originally posted by D-Block
If Sentry was moving top speed could Hulk even react to it?
it sort of makes sense, seeing as he has to be moving his hands quite a good deal beyond mach-speeds to create the thunderclaps and to generate the power necessary for his stomps that are felt across continents etc...
Originally posted by janus77
he shouldn't, but he would/is.
the only way to square it is to accept that Hulk's reaction speeds are similar to those of speedsters, even if his running speed isn't.it sort of makes sense, seeing as he has to be moving his hands quite a good deal beyond mach-speeds to create the thunderclaps and to generate the power necessary for his stomps that are felt across continents etc...
He wouldn't react to Sentry's top speed, and never has. Like I said he's had trouble taggin characters who have no superspeed. So don't make things up.
Originally posted by The PictSo they are stuck in a small ring. In a sense its a ring out? Is this how the Sentry wins in your opinion?
Are you reading my posts? Do I need to use caps and type them in bold?[b]CARRYING HULK AWAY WOULD RESULT IN SENTRY BFR'ING HIMSELF AS WELL SO HE WON'T BE CARRYING HULK ANYWHERE HE WILL BE THROWING/SHOVING/PUNCHING WWH AWAY FROM THE BATTLEFIELD
And at top speeds no less which you've still to show that WWH can counter.
I can see why you tried to disprove the bfr'ing argument earlier but I never said WWH was getting carried away anywhere. [/B]
Anyways how big is this battlefield? I didnt know it was this small please tell me how much room they have in this fight.
Originally posted by The Pict
He wouldn't react to Sentry's top speed, and never has. Like I said he's had trouble taggin characters who have no superspeed. So don't make things up.
I'm not making things up, I'm trying to rationalise what already is established - him tagging Surfer while Surfer was flying away, him grabbing Jack of Hearts etc etc.
King Hulk did react in time to Sentry's second attempt at bull rushing him. check your scan - it's the same speed trail and stuff as the initial one!