Originally posted by inimalistDeath Terror.
actually it is much more likely a third phenomenon which is responsible for both
Originally posted by chithappensEasier to indulge in our lower chakras.
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency?
Originally posted by Bowser jrNo. A general sense of reverence will do.
does everything have to evolve around religion?
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Originally posted by chithappens
If someone prints, "God favors me, not you" on our money (which is really a more blunt version of the same thing) I hardly see how that is irrelevant.
In God We Trust says nothing about what God thinks unless you read into it a huge amount (the phrase Annuit Coeptis, which everyone forgets about because it's in Latin, is much more about what God thinks). What is written on the bills is pretty much irrelevant because the only thing anyone cares about in the US when it comes to money is who's face is on what bill or coin. The rest of the text and pictures is simply interesting trappings.
The one dollar bill also says "New Order for the Ages" and has a pyramid with an all seeing eye for a capstone levitating above it but no one cares.
Originally posted by Bowser jr
We use the form of a 'god' as a safety net and people are a fared of beaning themselves.
The U.S. was founded with the help of religion, more so with the understanding that their was a single higher power and that's what some of the reasoning for our independence relies on. Putting "One Nation, Under God" on a note Americans use everyday is there as a constant reminder of our beginning, not an elusive way for us to say "**** you" to the rest of the world.
Originally posted by Croatoa
The U.S. was founded with the help of religion, more so with the understanding that their was a single higher power and that's what some of the reasoning for our independence relies on. Putting "One Nation, Under God" on a note Americans use everyday is there as a constant reminder of our beginning, not an elusive way for us to say "**** you" to the rest of the world.
Treaty of Tripoli:
"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
Originally posted by King Kandy
Treaty of Tripoli:"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
Declaration of Independence:
"...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."
"...And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
It's also important to note that many of the founding fathers were, at the time, Protestant, and so their interpretation of the Bible varied a little and this no doubt influenced their decisions. They didn't argue over this, but rather accepted that there would be differences and respected the perspectives. This ties in to the First Amendment and no official religion for the state. They knew it would cause problems.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In God We Trust says nothing about what God thinks unless you read into it a huge amount (the phrase Annuit Coeptis, which everyone forgets about because it's in Latin, is much more about what God thinks). What is written on the bills is pretty much irrelevant because the only thing anyone cares about in the US when it comes to money is who's face is on what bill or coin. The rest of the text and pictures is simply interesting trappings.The one dollar bill also says "New Order for the Ages" and has a pyramid with an all seeing eye for a capstone levitating above it but no one cares.
Just because no one cares doesn't mean there is not something to it. On a literal level, you could put "**** Chit" on there on no one would care but that's not the point.
No one puts God on anything simply to be cute about it (unless you are an ass like me but I highly doubt it was to be sarcastic; not that I have evidence that says otherwise 😂 ).
Besides, if religion truly had no influence on the state then certain issues have no problems.
Abortion can be morally wrong but there is no secular reasoning to object to gay marriage.
Again, I'm not from a student of Princeton so I could be complete offbase here also.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Declaration has lots of stuff. Constitution doesn't mention God once, Benjamin Franklin wasn't even Christian, neither were a lot of founding fathers.
Well it was based off the Iroquois Confederacy (except they took out everything about women 😂. that is so funny to me).
Originally posted by chithappens
Just because no one cares doesn't mean there is not something to it.
Sure, but nothing relevant to the current state of the world. No one cares about it (except for people looking to be offended). No one notices it. It's historical footnote that people on both side latch onto when they have needed to grab attention or the moral highground.
Originally posted by chithappens
No one puts God on anything simply to be cute about it (unless you are an ass like me but I highly doubt it was to be sarcastic; not that I have evidence that says otherwise 😂 ).
Of course it wasn't supposed to be cute or sarcastic but everyone has stopped caring about it anyway so it might as well be. It says something about the people that designed it and the world they lived in but nothing about the US today.
Originally posted by chithappens
Abortion can be morally wrong but there is no secular reasoning to object to gay marriage.
There's no secular reason for marriage at all (and the benefits of marriage can be granted via civil ceremony IIRC) so religions really should have the final say about how they operate in that respect.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's no secular reason for marriage at all (and the benefits of marriage can be granted via civil ceremony IIRC) so religions really should have the final say about how they operate in that respect.
I'd think we may extrapolate this point to different conclusions, but **** ya!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sure, but nothing relevant to the current state of the world. No one cares about it (except for people looking to be offended). No one notices it. It's historical footnote that people on both side latch onto when they have needed to grab attention or the moral highground.Of course it wasn't supposed to be cute or sarcastic but everyone has stopped caring about it anyway so it might as well be. It says something about the people that designed it and the world they lived in but nothing about the US today.
There's no secular reason for marriage at all (and the benefits of marriage can be granted via civil ceremony IIRC) so religions really should have the final say about how they operate in that respect.
Please explain to me how it was relevant to the world at the time.
And yeah, religions should have the say for their followers, but it does not work that way. It is not as if these discussions are had without religion working it's way in but that's because that is what influences the decisions of the government.
Originally posted by chithappens
Please explain to me how it was relevant to the world at the time.
I said it's historically relevant and tells you about the time it was made not that it had a special relevance at the time (though it may have).
Originally posted by chithappens
And yeah, religions should have the say for their followers, but it does not work that way. It is not as if these discussions are had without religion working it's way in but that's because that is what influences the decisions of the government.
It does work that way in the US right now. The law cannot force a priest, minister, rabbi, imam or shaman to marry people that he/she doesn't want to.
I don't see how you can have a discussion about marriage (which is a totally religious thing) without having religion "work into it".
Originally posted by King Kandy
Declaration has lots of stuff. Constitution doesn't mention God once, Benjamin Franklin wasn't even Christian, neither were a lot of founding fathers.
The statement on the founding fathers applies to the Constitution as well. What they had to work with when they started from "scratch" (post-Confederation) was knowledge of how England was governed, - which for the most part had been with the understanding of the Divine Right of Kings - about 90 years of legislatures in America, Locke, and the Bible.
Not having God mentioned in the Constitution is just proof of their amazing foresight.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I said it's historically relevant and tells you about the time it was made not that it had a special relevance at the time (though it may have).It does work that way in the US right now. The law cannot force a priest, minister, rabbi, imam or shaman to marry people that he/she doesn't want to.
I don't see how you can have a discussion about marriage (which is a totally religious thing) without having religion "work into it".
How is it possible to be historically relevant but not have a "special" relevance?
Well in the case of gay marriage, people don't even want civil union. That's more what I'm getting @
Originally posted by Croatoa
Sorry about the confusion, I didn't mean the U.S. government as we've known since the Constitution, I meant the thirteen colonies of the United States of America, as it is mentioned in the Declaration.The statement on the founding fathers applies to the Constitution as well. What they had to work with when they started from "scratch" (post-Confederation) was knowledge of how England was governed, - which for the most part had been with the understanding of the Divine Right of Kings - about 90 years of legislatures in America, Locke, and the Bible.
Not having God mentioned in the Constitution is just proof of their amazing foresight.
OMG OMG OMG! I keep saying this!
They got the idea from Native Americans!!!!!!! This is a historical-backed fact.
Do people just completely ignore what they don't want to acknowledge at all?
Then again, this is the religion forum...
Originally posted by chithappensWe just worship the triangle eye. Why? 😕
Why do Americans conveniently forget that is on their currency?
Cause it is always watching?
Oh, and for the post a few above. I don't want a civil union. Uncivil is good enough for me. Heck, throw out the whole book of rules. I'm sick of em.
what were we talking about again???
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