H2H Contest: Cassandra Cain/Lady Shiva vs. Batman/Daredevil

Originally posted by spetznaz
Now, I know that someone posted 3 scans of Bgirl (before she became Bgirl) and Bman on the roof, and she is jumping around and cannot land a blow. That was NOT a fight ...I have that comic. Bman was going after Cain (Bgirl's father), and he met Cassie. That sequence is them TALKING. That was when Cassie could only talk through movement, and that is Bgirl and Bman talking ....not fighting ....talking.

Originally posted by spetznaz
There are other scans (the best are in the Batgirl graphic novels ....well, more like compilations of her comics) that show what happens when Bgirl gets back her ability to 'read' people.

Bman is not even able to TOUCH her when she gets her abilities back. She is even dodging with a smile on her face ....perfect ease. It is almost sad.

In that same series, Bgirl (before she gets back her 'reading'a bilities from Shiva), asks Bman how long it would take before she would get as good as he was. Bman says 10 years, maybe more. However, after meeting with Shiva (I wonder what Shiva did ....), and she was back to her old self, Cassie was dodging Bruce's moves like he was moving in slo-mo.

Originally posted by spetznaz
As for dodging sniper bullets and all that (and I am bringing in DareDevil now)....Cassie was doing that as a kid. She quite literally weaves in-between bullets. Thus just because DD can do that doesn't mean it is Cool Beans for Cassie (goodness, even Batman has dodged a sniper's bullet by FEELING the slight over-pressure of air as it travels towards him).

Originally posted by spetznaz
As for the person who said that DD is NEAR metahuman, I have always said that the entire Bat-family is a running joke in DC when they are called 'peak humans.' The scans say different.

There are some that show Bgirl BLITZING (real blitzing people), which is quite funny. In others she is taking out entire rooms of people, which is nothing special BTW (even Robin can do that). However the 'metahuman' part is when she is recorded by some 3-letter agency, and they state that her strength levels APPEARED 2 times human, and her speed 4 times.

Thanks Xmarksthespot.

As always, scans always do a better job than words. Much appreciation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which comic was this by the by? You recall incorrectly. She was tired from the sparring session, leading to Batman chastising her stamina, but she wasn't "knocked down." Neither looked injured in any way externally. I didn't say it was a "win," anyway.

My bad. I thought you were trying to imply that or that she had the advantage. Your right she did look tired. But that too was a sparring match and Batman clearly grabbed her and unmasked her as well. Stalemate with neither gaining an edge on one another.

Batman 50 was also a stalemate. Yes Batman did use weapons but he also didn't want to fight seeming like he was holding back. Either way again no real major advantage for either.

I think the fight would have been better if you had made the teams Shiva/Batman and Cain/DD or DD/Shiva Batman/Cain. To me, it's seems rather one sided if not.