Hercules vs Wonder Woman in a Ring

Wonder woman doesnt figth using speed like Flash does. And neither does Superman or Captain Marvel. Now *that* is silly.

Flash isent a brick. He is a speedster. Everything he does its about speed. He is a character built to figth like that. Wonder and co, are flying bricks. They have high speeds, but never pull out nonsense like "hitting someone 1000 times before they blink". Thats fangasm talk.

Especially when the opponent isent slow either. You are aware that Hercules for a brick can pull good speedburst moves, rigth? Cool.

The one reason he wins in a ring more often, its because it works more at his advantages. A ring is a limited area, so her fligh wont matter much. Hes got the considerable size advantage. He is usually more brutal at using his skill than Wonder Woman is, her standart speed advantage isent usually so big against slower bricks than she can just steal a win that way. Hercules is also usually more durable than she is, and arguably stronger.

Heck, even if you think she is stronger, the gap is so small, that in a limited area he still got the size advantage.

I don't think she's stronger. I see their strength as comparable. I see their durability to blunt force as comparable. I see her skill or use of it as probably better, but for the sake of argument, am happy to just say that it's comparable. I'm ignoring flight completely.

Which leaves speed. The one thing that I don't think can be said to be comparable.

She does have footspeed to keep up with the likes of Jesse Quick.

But even if one ignores that footspeed and takes that she can't for some reason punch at superspeed, one undeniable part of the character of Wonder Woman is that she blocks things at superspeed. And regularly so. Probably every or every other comic. And has those nifty unbreakable trinkets. Which should lead to the conclusion that fewer of his blows will connect adequately. Which all else being hypothetically equal leads me to take her as the victor. I don't at all expect to convince you of it though and have no intention of trying... so bleh agree to disagree... I'm out.

Herc Bear Hug, Bad Breath and B.O. f.t.w.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She does have footspeed to keep up with the likes of Jesse Quick.

That she does...but what good is that in a closed ring?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But even if one ignores that footspeed and takes that she can't for some reason punch at superspeed, one undeniable part of the character of Wonder Woman is that she blocks things at superspeed.

I also think she will connect more. Thing is, she isent as durable as he is on average, and like we read about her going against other bricks, flying or otherwise, she doesnt block everything.

But im glad to just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by olympian
That she does...but what good is that in a closed ring?

I also think she will connect more. Thing is, she isent as durable as he is on average, and like we read about her going against other bricks, flying or otherwise, she doesnt block everything.

But im glad to just agree to disagree.

Sure, and Hercules has been blasted by Pre Retcon Beyonder at close range and despite admiting it was stronger than anything Zeus could do, he got up fine.

So?

If you dont know what everage means, you can just say so 🙂 i already reached an understanding in this topic anyway.

Originally posted by olympian
Sure, and Hercules has been blasted by Pre Retcon Beyonder at close range and despite admiting it was stronger than anything Zeus could do, he got up fine.

So?

If you dont know what everage means, you can just say so 🙂 i already reached an understanding in this topic anyway.

Wonder Woman beat Hercules twice in Jla/Avengers, Wonder Woman also beat DC Universe's Heracles, this is the same guy, with the exact same strength.

He would give her a fight in a test of strength, but the speed advantage is hers. She not only has his strength but she has the speed of Hermes, she can fight at hyper speeds as well, just check out her respect section.

She may not be as fast as the Flash but she can throw at least a hundred punishing blows in one second..... errr how about 10 seconds, which is still plenty.

Whether they wrestle or box Hercules will lose more times than not.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Wonder Woman's average against blunt force trauma is pretty much the same.

Hardly, given how on average she gets a bit easily more hurt than Hercules does.

When Hulk makes Hercules bleed and go down, its a big deal.

When Superman does the same to Diana, it is half expected.

Originally posted by fangirl101
[BAnd Pre Retconned beyonder doesn't exist. neither does the blast you mentioned.As if mentioning it meant anything. The beyonder if he wanted, would have blasted herc into nothing. [/B]

Ah, ok.

Can i use Zeus, Typhon, Hera, Lava, Eternals, a rogue Thor hitting him with Mjolnir in the back of his head, Hulk, taking missiles on his face, etc?

🙂

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wonder Woman beat Hercules twice in Jla/Avengers

You can of course, point me out where?

Both encounters werent finished. As it is, she had the edge in one match and Hercules had the edge in the other.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wonder Woman also beat DC Universe's Heracles, this is the same guy, with the exact same strength.

Incorrect. Versions of Heracles vary in strength, according to the way he is written.

The DCU Hercules for example does not have half the record that the Marvel version does, despite also having examples where he looked better than Wonder woman, like the recent "Wonder Girl" mini and JSA #13.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
He would give her a fight in a test of strength, but the speed advantage is hers. She not only has his strength but she has the speed of Hermes, she can fight at hyper speeds as well, just check out her respect section.

Already covered. Unless she goes all "Dragonball on him", wich she wont, it wont be a major deal. Not in a confined area. Besides, Hercules have managed to connect speedesters and speedblitzed people too.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
She may not be as fast as the Flash but she can throw at least a hundred punishing blows in one second..... errr how about 10 seconds, which is still plenty.

You dont have any examples of her throwing hundred of punches in seconds, to anyone.

Therefore, she wont do it.

I'd go with WW. She's already slapped this fairy around.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Wondy. Better Skill. In the canon Avengers JLA arc, she handled him.

Nah there even skill wise as far as in a grappling fight in the ring. this is out in the open. its for sure going to diana.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wonder Woman beat Hercules twice in Jla/Avengers, Wonder Woman also beat DC Universe's Heracles, this is the same guy, with the exact same strength.

He would give her a fight in a test of strength, but the speed advantage is hers. She not only has his strength but she has the speed of Hermes, she can fight at hyper speeds as well, just check out her respect section.

She may not be as fast as the Flash but she can throw at least a hundred punishing blows in one second..... errr how about 10 seconds, which is still plenty.

Whether they wrestle or box Hercules will lose more times than not.

Completely agree but this is in a closed area and she lacks the duribility, herc can wins this . But it still favors WW.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'd go with WW. She's already slapped this fairy around.

Must be one of those limited imported editions 🙂

Herc

Originally posted by fangirl101
He has NO strength feats on her. No battle feats on her. Is slower. Has less kill. What is there to laugh about. He's not even outright more powerful than her. which is what it would take to beat someone of her skill, durability, and speed level.

I have to agree with fangirl there.

Hercules is definatly lacking in supporting feats of strenght. He desperatly needs one major feat with maybe Thor and Hulk assisting him all the way.

Or maybe Cl 100 Colossus. That should be enough.

Wonder Woman.

Who do people think it would help Hercules even with Wonder Woman out, more?

Thor + Hulk, or,

Cl 100 Colossus?

Originally posted by olympian
Who do people think it would help Hercules even with Wonder Woman out, more?

Thor + Hulk, or,

Cl 100 Colossus?

Help him out? He would need to be able to survive a beating from Thanos, or being brought into outer space by Gladiator and slapped back to earth at near light speed, and able to get back up in less than 5 seconds.

So, in other words, you are just using one showing of Wonder woman to set up the standart? A high showing at that?

Ok. Hercules has been dumped from Mount Olympus (knocked out) to Earth`s past and got up fine.

And Thanos > Superman, silly goose.