Flash: Rebirth.

I find it funny how Johns is making Barry and Zoom some kind of speed gods/the source of everything effectivly making the likes of Wally like .. well, like Kyle. 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
I find it funny how Johns is making Barry and Zoom some kind of speed gods/the source of everything effectivly making the likes of Wally like .. well, like Kyle. 🙂

That I love.

So wait, basically apparently now, Barry Allen created the Speed Force when he got hit by lightning (How does that even work in the first place? The Speed Force existed before Barry.), practically is the Speed Force, and depends on his running as he is the engine? That's what I understood.

So how in the holy hell does that fit in, to Wally West mainlining it, and practically being the Speed Force? Him being the fastest?

Great, they retconed Hal Jordan's Parallax incident to give him an excuse for being accepted, and now they did this, so they have some justification when they have Wally written next to useless when Barry is around.

Yea, who didn't see this coming?

And John's told me I shouldn't worry about Wally when I talked to him. Lulz.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And John's told me I shouldn't worry about Wally when I talked to him. Lulz.

He would've said anything to get you to bed.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He would've said anything to get you to bed.

I wouldn't be surprised with my good looks. I generated the Stud Force. awesome

read the issue and thought.. total crap

The touch I like, is that Zoom is essentially copying Barry. Reverse Flash is, like always, doing something similar, yet opposite of what the Flash does. Barry created a force to shield speedsters, protect them, etc. Zoom on the other hand is like creating a speed force of death.

It just....goes well with Zoom's character.

Doesn't make much sense but it isn't Barry who "makes the Speedforce" it's all of them. That's what the last two pages were about.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Doesn't make much sense but it isn't Barry who "makes the Speedforce" it's all of them. That's what the last two pages were about.

About all of them? Bullshit. This entire issue tries to signify Barry's importance, by making him the "BESTEST FLASH EVAH!". It goes out of it's way to state that Barry is different from the rest of them, and that he generates the Speed Force. It's depended on him, directly. It's generated by his running. He is the one makes the Speed Force. It's even called "his" Speed Force. His.

It even retcons the Speed Force, a bad retcon full of holes for no other reason than to try and make Barry Allen more important. I mean somehow Barry Allen created the Speed Force with his accident, and somehow Zoom creates a Negative Speed Force by recreating the same accident. Rebirth desperately expects us to forget that anyone else received powers by the same means. If Barry's accident created a Speed Force and Zoom's recreation created a Negative Speed Force then why didn't Wally's identical accident create a Speed Force? Why didn't Zoom's duplication of Barry's accident in the future create a Speed Force but in the past create a Negative Speed Force? How do chemicals at one point in time with one person (but wholly duplicated by others "later"- when "later" is irrelevant to a timeless force) create something that exists through all of time, space, and reality? It subjects the Speed Force to questions it can't handle and didn't need to prior to Rebirth #4.

Don't even get me started on the other plot holes.

It felt as if they were forcing us to except Barry as the greatest Flash, like they view it. Forcing it down our throats is what if felt like. I mean seriously, he generates the Speed Force, and apparently he made Jay Garrick quicker. So what, every speedster is dependant on him now?

Christ.....

Most people with their heads out their asses already knew that Barry was the greatest Flash.

Say's who?

On people with their heads up their asses don't realize Wally West, was the fastest, the strongest, and greatest Flash.

The first two are facts. The third might as well.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Most people with their heads out their asses already knew that Barry was the greatest Flash.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I disgree. Most fans saw wally as a better character. I would go so far as to say wally was more popular than Barry was.

Wally was more popular. So was Wolverine, and the Hulk.

🙂

It's easy to be more popular than someone with the personality of cardboard.

Originally posted by Accel
It's easy to be more popular than someone with the personality of cardboard.

In that one storyline where Barry killed Zoom and left the Justice League, I saw more personality from him than I've seen from most of the Justice League characters in a long time.

berry the first flash right?

then how did jay become flash?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
berry the first flash right?

then how did jay become flash?

From an experiment were he inhaled heavy water vapors that gave him super speed/reflexes. He later became connected to the Speed Force, but when the Speed Force was taken away in Infinite Crisis he still could go mach 1 due to the prior experiment

Originally posted by -K-M-
From an experiment were he inhaled heavy water vapors that gave him super speed/reflexes. He later became connected to the Speed Force, but when the Speed Force was taken away in Infinite Crisis he still could go mach 1 due to the prior experiment

Originally posted by -K-M-
From an experiment were he inhaled heavy water vapors that gave him super speed/reflexes. He later became connected to the Speed Force, but when the Speed Force was taken away in Infinite Crisis he still could go mach 1 due to the prior experiment

Did he ask if BArry was the first Flash?....

Read Dark X-men Beginnings yet?

"Flash Rebirth is Part 1 of that. It’s assembling all the pieces, putting them back together where we needed them to be, and then explain one little segment of what the speed force is. Again, Geoff is only giving you a taste of what it is. It’s so much more broad."