Originally posted by Board Walker
Yaweh said the in the begining he could unmake Lucifer, when lucifer defied him, Lucifer replied yes at that moment he could do so.
Originally posted by Board Walker
But by the end of the series, Lucifer was an equal to Yaweh, so much that Yaweh offered to merge with Lucifer just to gain what Lucifer has, he said they would be emerge as two complete new beings, each being the equal die cast for the others new form.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Michael is the twin and equal of Lucifer as stated through the entire comic.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Where was it shown that Michael was the absolute living form of DC's power? It was shown during the war of heaven, when Michael became Yaweh himself and ended the war with a gesture.
Originally posted by Board WalkerTOAA is a person and isnt a comic book character per say. On panel Thanos had no peer and was above all. He became god so we really shouldnt compare him to a real life person.
To prove Michaels will?Both Lucifer and Michael were will and power incarnated
Lucifer's will was his source of power, his flame so to speak.
Michaels Power was his source of Will, his ocean so to speak.
Michael with his power overcame Lucifer and his will in the war of heaven, Michaels Power and determination to serve god, allowed for him to become Yaweh during the war of heaven and end the entire war with merely his presence.
Michael through Elaine became Yaweh
Thanos with the HOTU was not above all of Marvel, TOAA was still his superior, and it was shown in an interview that the HOTU (The End) was a seperate universe from 616.
Show me a scan saying that Michael was will and power incarnate.
Prove the end happened in an alternate universe because I have a scan for you proving it happened in Thanos own series.
Originally posted by quanchi112
TOAA is a person and isnt a comic book character per say. On panel Thanos had no peer and was above all. He became god so we really shouldnt compare him to a real life person.Show me a scan saying that Michael was will and power incarnate.
Prove the end happened in an alternate universe because I have a scan for you proving it happened in Thanos own series.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not all creation just vertiigo creation imo.
Marvel statements proved that the End series which in thanos had the HOTU, was in fact a seperate universe from 616. And the key words in that statement, was, universe, that was it.
Marvel canon statement really is more heavy then individual subjective opinion.
To add on top of what others are saying, Thanos was not supreme, he was still below TOAA who was telling him what to do.
Are you willing to say Thanos with THOTU was superior to Jack Kirby and stan lee in the comic book?
Because they truly would simply write, or erase Thanos with the HOTU out of the panel.
They both have been shown on panel before.
The Yaweh from Vertigo is one and the same from DC, have you read about him? How he has many names.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Thanos had better feats? Mikes power sustained all creation and his power given to his daughter allowed her to become and stay God. night night.
This right there happened on panel, Michaels power when transfered to Elaine, she became the replacement of Yaweh, sustained all existence, all the different multiverses which exist purely because of her presence and power.
Michaels power was equal to yawehs, this was shown on panel.
Originally posted by Astner
No, Lucifer spoke for all of them "What if [b]we choose ..." Yahweh clearly had the power to unmake him. Not to mention that there were numerous occasions were Michael lost his wings (his powers).No, Lucifer was not equal to Yahweh in any way. That's what the entire final scene was about. Lucifer wanted to remain limited "a glass of nothing", "this scar ...", etc. All he did was step beyond Yahweh by acting outside his will. Which is nothing but a clear limitation of Yahweh's power.
Michael is the power, while Lucifer is the will. We all know that.
Michael ended the war, with as what you say a gesture. However you do not require omnipotence in order to do that. And the fact that Michael lost his wings--and that he couldn't do anything to "god's infinite might" proves that he wasn't on pair with Yahweh. [/B]
Lucifer was indeed equal to yaweh, he escaped his purpose, some thing no one else had ever done. No where does it say Lucifer wanted to remain limited, a glass of nothing, his scar had nothing to do with that.
The entire ending of the series was that Lucifer was being asked by Yaweh to merge with him, so that the two of them would emerge as two entirely new unique equals, Yaweh wanted what Lucifer had, he expressed this very much to the point of asking again and again for Lucifer if he would comply with the deal.
Lucifer stated on panel, Yaweh could not have his memories, his experience, his scar which represented who he is, without Lucifers permission, and Lucifer did not give that permission.
It showed Yaweh unlike in the begining when he could have forcefuly and effortlessly unmade Lucifer, could not forcefully make lucifer mege with him.
And I looked at the issue again, it says "You" addressing purely lucifer, his wrath and threat in his words was directed at Lucifer who was showing defiance, not Michael or Gabriel.
Michael ended the war when he became Yaweh, stated on panel that Michael was the aspect through he speaks, through which he acts.
Michael lost his wings for a time yes, and at that time when he lost his wings, he did not rise up in anger and attack and directly defy yaweh to his face. Yaweh even commented later in the series when both brothers speak directly with Yaweh about the truth, that Michaels greatest fault was that he was so slow to rise to anger, so slow to take action, Yaweh wanted him to be angry, yaweh wanted michael to take action.
Yaweh states on panel in his own words, that Michaels daughter Elaine, that the death, threatening of her, was the only thing in creation that could get him to take action, to act in concert with his brother, she was a tool used by yaweh, the stripping of his wings, the fighting all, part of his plan.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Where was it shown that Michael was the absolute living form of DC's power? It was shown during the war of heaven, when Michael became Yaweh himself and ended the war with a gesture.
Originally posted by Board Walker
You are talking about will? Michael is the incarnated Power, the living power of DC's own self.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Michael with his power overcame Lucifer and his will in the war of heaven, Michaels Power and determination to serve god, allowed for him to become Yaweh during the war of heaven and end the entire war with merely his presence.Michael through Elaine became Yaweh
Thanos with the HOTU was not above all of Marvel, TOAA was still his superior, and it was shown in an interview that the HOTU (The End) was a seperate universe from 616.
Originally posted by Board Walker
This right there happened on panel, Michaels power when transfered to Elaine, she became the replacement of Yaweh, sustained all existence, all the different multiverses which exist purely because of her presence and power.Michaels power was equal to yawehs, this was shown on panel.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Lucifer was indeed equal to yawehMichael ended the war when he became Yaweh, stated on panel that Michael was the aspect through he speaks, through which he acts.
Look at my respect thread first; it should clear most of your misconceptions.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Everything listed above is a lie.Look at my respect thread first; it should clear most of your misconceptions.
Alright lets break down your accusations one by one with scans.
1.Originally posted by Board Walker
Where was it shown that Michael was the absolute living form of DC's power? It was shown during the war of heaven, when Michael became Yaweh himself and ended the war with a gesture.
Use url's instead of spamming the thread with oversized images. That is Yahweh himself, not Michael. Michael was stabbed in the back by Sandalphon.
Also, are you illiterate? Yahweh is offering Lucifer to rule hell, not ending the war with a gesture.
Originally posted by Air LegendSandalphon betrayed heaven and shamefully stabbed Michael in the back.
This easily could have been avoided if you looked at the respect thread. One more lie and I'm reporting you for trolling.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Use url's instead of spamming the thread with oversized images. That is Yahweh himself, not Michael. Michael was stabbed in the back by Sandalphon.
Also, are you illiterate? Yahweh is offering Lucifer to rule hell, not ending the war with a gesture.This easily could have been avoided if you looked at the respect thread. One more lie and I'm reporting you for trolling.
No the scans I provided are not lies, it clearly says, this is the aspect through which I choose to speak, and act, and as it says near the end of the series, that Michael and Lucifer are its (yawehs) aspects, that was Michael who ended it with a gesture.
So please do report me with your false bravado, im shaking in my boots at the wrath of the forum your going to bring against me. Not.
Michael when transfered his power to Elaine, she created a multiverse without even realizing it.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer311.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer312.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer313.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer314.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer315.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer316.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer317.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer318.jpg
The aspects of yaweh, power and will
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer231.jpg
Originally posted by Board Walker
No the scans I provided are not lies, it clearly says, this is the aspect through which I choose to speak, and act, and as it says near the end of the series, that Michael and Lucifer are its (yawehs) aspects, that was Michael who ended it with a gesture.So please do report me with your false bravado, im shaking in my boots at the wrath of the forum your going to bring against me. Not.
Michael when transfered his power to Elaine, she created a multiverse without even realizing it.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer311.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer312.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer313.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer314.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer315.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer316.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer317.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer318.jpgThe aspects of yaweh, power and will
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer231.jpg
Elaine took Michael's power in to save creation. She in no way became God after taking the power in. And she created a universe, hence why the word UNIVERSE is used. So again, reported for trolling.
Originally posted by Air Legend
That is the corporeal form of Yahweh, hence why Lucifer and Gabriel both call him father. Also, like I provided, Michael was stabbed in the back and taken away by Sandalphon. So yeah, reported for trolling.Elaine took Michael's power in to save creation. She in no way became God after taking the power in. And she created a universe, hence why the word UNIVERSE is used. So again, reported for trolling.
LOL did you even read the series? Ill further break down your accusations and lies with scans.
Here it is shown on panel that the power within Michael, when released creates a multiverse.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer_Nirvana_p01.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer_Nirvana_p02.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer_Nirvana_p05.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Lucifer_Nirvana_p06.jpg
And you are actually saying, that Elaine did not take Yawehs position at the end of the series and rule all the multiverses, Yawehs, Lucifers, her own? lol....did you read the series? here let me prove you wrong again.
Here is the respect thread for Michael
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t474601.html
