New Batman Animated Series

Totally agree. We need something darker. Screw the kids...Batman was never meant to be kid friendly, and TDK proved that. As for Robin, there's a reason Bale said he'd quit if he was in the series, BECAUSE ROBIN SUCKS! Anyway, as far as a new series goes, I'd like some animation similar to what we saw in the animated short from the Gotham Knight DVD "Deadshot" as I'm tired of seeing the same animation for superhero shows. Try something new for a change...and anime for Batman would be the way to go in my opinion. Again, something darker and more adult oriented...so to speak, would make every Batman fan happy. I'm tired of the whole everything needs to be toned down for kids...who said most of the superheroes were even for kids?

Originally posted by Da Joker
Batman was never meant to be kid friendly, and TDK proved that.

Oh, don't be silly. He was introduced in a comic book at a time that only kids read comic books; of course he was meant to be kid friendly. Batman: The Animated Series is one of the best portrayals of him around, and although it's so good people often forget this, that was a children's cartoon. Notice how there's no swearing and virtually no blood? That's why. They wanted it to be kid friendly. If you're like Devil King and don't like that it's your business, but it's silly to deny it.

There are excellent kid-friendly versions of Batman (e.g. TAS), and excellent non-kid-friendly versions of Batman (The Dark Knight). And Robin is awsome, but wouldn't work well in the Bale movies (and not because of anything to do with "kid-friendlyness--Robin worked well in Dark Knight Returns, and that wasn't kid-friendly).

If it wasn't for Batman being somewhat accessible to me as a child I would have never gotten into him.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Totally agree. We need something darker. Screw the kids...Batman was never meant to be kid friendly, and TDK proved that. As for Robin, there's a reason Bale said he'd quit if he was in the series, BECAUSE ROBIN SUCKS! Anyway, as far as a new series goes, I'd like some animation similar to what we saw in the animated short from the Gotham Knight DVD "Deadshot" as I'm tired of seeing the same animation for superhero shows. Try something new for a change...and anime for Batman would be the way to go in my opinion. Again, something darker and more adult oriented...so to speak, would make every Batman fan happy. I'm tired of the whole everything needs to be toned down for kids...who said most of the superheroes were even for kids?

I bet you didn't know that Bale auditioned for the role of Robin in Batman Forever...

And if Batman were only for adults, the fanbase would die out, because no new fans would grow up with it... If you hadn't grown up with Batman, you probably wouldn't be a Batman fan... If I hadn't grown up with Batman, I wouldn't be a Batman fan today...

I know he auditioned, I know a hell of a lot about Batman, but Bale has even said if anyone even thinks about casting Robin he'll quit. Robin sucks, Bale knows it, Nolan knows it, my parents know it, everyone knows it. Robin is lame, unimportant and a suckish character.

Originally posted by Da Joker
I know he auditioned, I know a hell of a lot about Batman, but Bale has even said if anyone even thinks about casting Robin he'll quit. Robin sucks, Bale knows it, Nolan knows it, my parents know it, everyone knows it. Robin is lame, unimportant and a suckish character.

Maybe so, but he's a part of the Batman Legacy, and Tim Drake is pretty badass when he's written right...

But at the end of the day, Batman NEEDS to be accessible to everyone... I think BTAS had the PERFECT blend of kid friendly action and stories even adults can enjoy...

Robin is a badass. He is more ninja in his suit, than Batman ever was(80's up today)

Jason Todd was a amazing, and so was Tim Drake, the only Robin I didnt like was perhaps the spoiler. And Robin has been used in super dark storys. Robins's past ete. The first comic that intro Robin was touching. Here was Dick, who's family was killed by a mob person or inforcer, and the tears Dick had moved Bruce. He train him, study with him, and Robin became part of the team ever since. That first Robin story was a amazing comic, and pretty tragic.

Tim Drake is awesome. You can try to deny this, but it's so self-evidently true that it would be sort of silly to do so.

Screw Robin, he sucks. Although Nightwing and Jason Todd are kinda cool.

Robin's aight, I just prefer Batman alone. And I hate the pedophile man love crap that comes from introducing Robin into the mix too. Plus I still have flashbacks of Holy Rusted Metal, lol

I prefer Batman alone, but when written right, Robin can be an amazingly good character... Not every Robin is a Chris O' Donnell or a Burt Ward... BTAS had a great Grayson Robin... He wasn't always there, he had his own life, but was on call whenever Batman needed his help...

I didn't mind Robin in the animated series so much.

He had the lamest lines (Dick Grayson's version). Tim Drake was okay, but Batman is best as a loner.

Originally posted by Da Joker
He had the lamest lines (Dick Grayson's version). Tim Drake was okay, but Batman is best as a loner.

I agree that Batman works best as a loner, but Robin doesn't always equal crap (unless it's Chris O' Donnell)...

Robin has his own monthly comic book for a reason...

There's a reason a lot of people aren't buying it either. At this point all I can say is I'm glad he won't be in the new franchise of movies.

Originally posted by Da Joker
There's a reason a lot of people aren't buying it either. At this point all I can say is I'm glad he won't be in the new franchise of movies.

Do you have proof? (about the comic thing)

I could say that a lot of people aren't buying the Teen Ttians comic, but does that make it true?

I think that teenagers tend to buy modern Robin comics, because Robin comics, like Ultimate Spider-Man comics, are easier for teens to relate to...

It's a fact, Robin has evolved over the years, just like Batman... He's no longer a kid's hero... Sure, he's kid friendly, meaning kids can read Robin comics, but the stories are more for teens and young adults...

Originally posted by Da Joker
Totally agree. We need something darker. Screw the kids...Batman was never meant to be kid friendly, and TDK proved that. As for Robin, there's a reason Bale said he'd quit if he was in the series, BECAUSE ROBIN SUCKS! Anyway, as far as a new series goes, I'd like some animation similar to what we saw in the animated short from the Gotham Knight DVD "Deadshot" as I'm tired of seeing the same animation for superhero shows. Try something new for a change...and anime for Batman would be the way to go in my opinion. Again, something darker and more adult oriented...so to speak, would make every Batman fan happy. I'm tired of the whole everything needs to be toned down for kids...who said most of the superheroes were even for kids?

Batman: TAS kind of set the standard for most animation of most of the hero cartoons that followed for the next few years. But I never said that Batman was never meant for kids. Certainly it was meant for kids, it simply wasn't originally a title that spoke down to kids. When the Comic's Code Authority came into existence it was a response to the violence that was in some of these comics that were meant to be for children. This is when comics became silly and childish, even if they were originally a more serious title, like Batman. That's how we ended up with the ridiculous Archie-esque Batman issues of the 60s and characters like Batdog.

I think a solution to this problem is to keep playing Batman: TAS series for children on television and release a realistic, adult-oriented DVD that is the length of Gotham Knight and grounded in the more realistic world that we see in the movies.

As for Robin, I think the reason he can be so easily removed from any mythology that is going to seriously address the themes of Batman is because he was meant to be every kid that picked up an issue of the comic in 1940 and on. He was the character that every kid could imagine himself being in this world they read about every month. If it's written with adults in mind, Robin becomes a distractinly childish character.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Do you have proof? (about the comic thing)

I could say that a lot of people aren't buying the Teen Ttians comic, but does that make it true?

I think that teenagers tend to buy modern Robin comics, because Robin comics, like Ultimate Spider-Man comics, are easier for teens to relate to...

It's a fact, Robin has evolved over the years, just like Batman... He's no longer a kid's hero... Sure, he's kid friendly, meaning kids can read Robin comics, but the stories are more for teens and young adults...

😂 I don't see many people on forums talking about Robin. In fact, the majority of people think he's gay & lame (that's just what I've read).

How old are you Da Joker? I'm just curious.

I don't think that is relevant.