I would've completely accepted IM3 arms open if it was a two/3 pt tv series. It would've been the most epic TV we have ever seen!
Yet as a movie on its own I expected more.
This raises the question of whether Marvel needs to explore TV more in order to advance their already expanding universe.
I thought SHIELD was going to be that answer. And hoped the guy saving the kid in the trailer was going to be Luke Cage.
But found out he was going to be just some random character.
Marvel needs to keep up the pace and not get lazy.
Their focus was on creating the Avengers movie via creating films based around 4 of their members beforehand then doing the deed.
And it worked. But they can't slow down.
TV is the future. We need episodes of SHIELD showing Stark, Banner, Rogers and Thor appearing in random eps.
Evolve their characters and then make summer movies to finish off major plots that eventuate into more TV episodes.
You can't make comicbook movies with the complicated plot developments that comics have proved being able to accomplish throughout the years unless you sacrifice-
-plot development.
-character development.
-interesting powersets.
Ironman 3 was nothing more than a sendoff for Downer Jr for his contract had ended. So they made a film focusing on Stark and not Ironman with an Extremis flavor.
Was IM3 an enjoyable film? sure.
Was it the film fans and the general public wanted? no.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Was IM3 an enjoyable film? sure.
Was it the film fans and the general public wanted? no.
I agree with this, and this is the consensus on a lot of comic book films I like that others don't.: I don't judge films on what their characters did in the comics. I only judge films on their own merit. Woulda, shoulda, couldas can be said for any film, but as long the the story that was told was good, I'm fine with it. As I said, I did not like the Mandarin twist, because Kingsley was so formidable, but besides that it was a fun enjoyable film.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I agree with this, and this is the consensus on a lot of comic book films I like that others don't.: I don't judge films on what their characters did in the comics. I only judge films on their own merit. Woulda, shoulda, couldas can be said for any film, but as long the the story that was told was good, I'm fine with it. As I said, I did not like the Mandarin twist, because Kingsley was so formidable, but besides that it was a fun enjoyable film.
I agree with this. I didn't like how he was just a front but i did like how they dealt with it. Another poster stated here or in another IM thread that they made the very best out of a bad choice. I fully agree
You guys don't think the way the film promoted the Mandarin as the arch-villain whilst Killian as the secondary villain wasn't some kind of stroke of genius?
Cause I do.
Personally the film going ahead with the Mandarin/Bin Laden as the villain in the film took it into a downslide personally.
The direction the film took in regards to the early Mandarin vids personally was kinda in extreme bad taste.
Originally posted by the ninjak
You guys don't think the way the film promoted the Mandarin as the arch-villain whilst Killian as the secondary villain wasn't some kind of stroke of genius?Cause I do.
Personally if the film went ahead with Mandarin/Bin Laden as the villain the film would've taken a downslide personally.
The direction the film took in regards to the early Mandarin vids personally was kinda in extreme bad taste.
👆 Loved the Mandarin twist.
Originally posted by the ninjak
You guys don't think the way the film promoted the Mandarin as the arch-villain whilst Killian as the secondary villain wasn't some kind of stroke of genius?Cause I do.
Personally the film going ahead with the Mandarin/Bin Laden as the villain in the film took it into a downslide personally.
The direction the film took in regards to the early Mandarin vids personally was kinda in extreme bad taste.
Eh i was let down since i was expecting some kind of international threat only to find out the main villian was pissy cuz Stark stood him up. I would have loved Mandarin to be the figure head but Killian to be the main physical threat kinda like how Bane was the mountain Batman had to climb but Talia was behind it all.
No, Showcasing the Mandarin as the films major threat and him turning out to be a puppet for another villain was not......lame.
It was a clever response to writers perceiving the original idea of the Mandarin. Being a Euro-asian man who discovers rings on an alien craft and goes mad, then enacts a Fu Manchu style take-over of the world.
Considering the Chinese financed a decent amount of this film I'm not surprised they took the other path.
Originally posted by the ninjak
No, Showcasing the Mandarin as the films major threat and him turning out to be a puppet for another villain was not......lame.It was a clever response to writers perceiving the original idea of the Mandarin. Being a Euro-asian man who discovers rings on an alien craft and goes mad, then enacts a Fu Manchu style take-over of the world.
Considering the Chinese financed a decent amount of this film I'm not surprised they took the other path.
The idea was well enough but i felt the threat was downgraded by it.
Originally posted by juggerman
The idea was well enough but i felt the threat was downgraded by it.
Of course it was.
A 2 hr film couldn't cover the comicbook version of the Mandarin.
As per my original argument. Marvel needs to further their story lines in TV. Through a season of a TV show you can venture into the absurdity that is the Mandarin's origin.
Then move into a feature length movie.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Of course it was.A 2 hr film couldn't cover the comicbook version of the Mandarin.
As per my original argument. Marvel needs to further their story lines in TV. Through a season of a TV show you can venture into the absurdity that is the Mandarin's origin.
Then move into a feature length movie.
No i mean the threat seemed massive in the film up until he was revealed as a front man and the real villian was just a guy whose feelings were hurt.
I like the idea of going to tv tho
They didn't need the exact comic book Mandarin, but they did need a better one. Just make the Mandarin a war vet who got wounded, felt betrayed by his country, and joined up with Killian to start a terrorist campaign against the US, which Killian funds for profit. There, he's still a villain, and Killian's still the Big Bad.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was lame so of course you would.
Nah, Mandarin twist was good and funny.
Though I do understand you not liking it as you were hoping for a Ben Kingsley round-housing Iron Man scene followed by countless random explosions, but that would have been lame in a live action IM film 🙂