Originally posted by DeathKap
Hey Iron man can hold out.
Actually he cannot.
He would be totally out of his league here.
For debate purposes, look at the fight he had against Mallen (the radical who had imbued himself with the Extremis Virus, turning him into a superhuman). Mallen got super-strength, super-speed (note: he was clocked at 300 mph), resilience, the ability to breath fire and exude electric surges, etc.
He almost killed Stark!
He was fast enough that IronMan could not compensate at the close range, and strong enough to actually breach the suit (and not only that, but also smash Stark through the suit).
Stark had to basically undergo the Extremis process himself (an altered version that gave him perfect access to his suit ....became more or less a part of him), and by doing so he managed to defeat Mallen at his own game. The Extremis enhanced Iron Man was now able to process Mallen's speed, and the reaction time was augmented to the point that Tony quite literally killed Mallen (I guess Mallen should have destroyed Stark when he had the chance, huh).
Anyways, what is the point of this?
Simply put, look at Mallen and his attributes (300 mph speed, strength to punch of the head of a girl and even threaten and defeat the integrity of Stark's suit, the level of viciousness that Mallen had due to his hate) and then compare then with those of Black Adam and Captain Marvel.
You will realize several things (if you are honest with yourself) ....for one, the two are BY FAR superiors of Mallen when it comes to speed. 300 mph is not fast by DC standards .....actually that level of speed (if it is all you had) wouldn't even get you accepted into the Teen Titans! Adam and Marvel can move at hundreds of magnitudes faster than that, thus Mallen (even with his Iron Man defeating speed) is SLOW compared to the two. Even Extremis enhanced Tony would not be able to REGISTER the two move.
Then to strength ....the Extremis process did not enhance Tony's suit, it enhanced Tony. Tony's suit is more or less the one he had before the process (more or less), and that was breached by Mallen.
Now, what do you think someone like Captain Marvel or Black Adam could do? If Mallen was going through the suit, what would BA or CM do?
As for viciousness ....sure Mallen was angry. His parents had been killed in front of his eyes by the Feds when he was a kid, and that just made something inside him snap. However, what do you think about Black Adam's level of rage? How do you think BA is feeling about his nation?
What do you think a bloodlusted (as if that is necessary) Black Adam would do to a human inside a metal suit?
Iron Man can only hang via PIS/CIS.
In a KMC match what he would do (since he is smart) is pretend he was sick a week before the match, hide on the other side of the planet and watch the battle via his Extremis-linked network of observation satellites. Then silently pray that the soft rumble he is feeling in the earth under his feet is not a bloodlusted Captain Marvel or Black Adam tunneling through the Earth's mantle/core at several magnitudes of double-digit Mach numbers coming to finish him!
Tony Stark is great, but his armor would not be able to handle the level of threat posed by Captain Marvel or Black Adam.
Not only do they have several abilities that when put together form a very effective offense (strength and speed), but those abilities are each at a VERY VERY high level.
Iron Man will not hang, and he will hold Sentry back.
You just imagine being Stark inside the IM suit ....and then imagine that half a mile from you floats Black Adam.
And he is bloodlusted!
Also note that unlike the Hulk (who can only attack you from a one-dimensional facet), BA can attack you from a 3 dimensional facet (and also, unlike the Hulk, BA can attack you at a truly shocking level of speed. While Extremis enabled you to handle 300mph movement, a Mach 50 movement from half a mile away will be too much ....especially when at the end of that movement is a really pissed off, as always, character that can quite literally punch his way through a mountain).
Furthermore, note the levels of power held by BA and CM. People who can match strength with Superman.
Then note that someone like Mallen was breaching your suit with his fists, and then wonder what a bloodlusted CM or BA could do?
Your suit would become your finely squished tomb.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Tony Stark is great, but his armor would not be able to handle the level of threat posed by Captain Marvel or Black Adam.Not only do they have several abilities that when put together form a very effective offense (strength and speed), but those abilities are each at a VERY VERY high level.
Iron Man will not hang, and he will hold Sentry back.
You just imagine being Stark inside the IM suit ....and then imagine that half a mile from you floats Black Adam.
And he is bloodlusted!
Also note that unlike the Hulk (who can only attack you from a one-dimensional facet), BA can attack you from a 3 dimensional facet (and also, unlike the Hulk, BA can attack you at a truly shocking level of speed. While Extremis enabled you to handle 300mph movement, a Mach 50 movement from half a mile away will be too much ....especially when at the end of that movement is a really pissed off, as always, character that can quite literally punch his way through a mountain).
Furthermore, note the levels of power held by BA and CM. People who can match strength with Superman.
Then note that someone like Mallen was breaching your suit with his fists, and then wonder what a bloodlusted CM or BA could do?
Your suit would become your finely squished tomb.
How are you rating Mallen's strength?
Breaching Iron Man's armor casually like Mallen did is a feat no one has ever done. Not Thor, not an angry Hulk, not an underwater Namor, not Sentry, not any type of nuke or bomb, not even Silver Surfer.
Mallen has only ever fought Iron Man and there was nothing to really judge his strenght on besides what he did to the armor, throw in the many examples of durability Iron Man has displayed throughout the years in lesser armors and you just have to assume Mallen's strenght was.... well unimaginable, right?
Originally posted by Innerhype
How are you rating Mallen's strength?Breaching Iron Man's armor casually like Mallen did is a feat no one has ever done. Not Thor, not an angry Hulk, not an underwater Namor, not Sentry, not any type of nuke or bomb, not even Silver Surfer.
Mallen has only ever fought Iron Man and there was nothing to really judge his strenght on besides what he did to the armor, throw in the many examples of durability Iron Man has displayed throughout the years in lesser armors and you just have to assume Mallen's strenght was.... well unimaginable, right?
No, not right.
The thing about the match with Mallen is for once Stark was facing an opponent who was not only multi-layered (more on that), but was also written in a way that was close to a KMC match.
For instance, you wrote in your post that not even the Silver Surfer could breach the armor! Come on ....that is just ridiculous writing. I hope you really do not believe that, but if you do that is quite myopic and debating on that point would be a waste of time (kind of like trying to convince a Storm fanboy that she is not as 'cosmic' as they make her to be).
What we do know (since you want actually quantitative figures) is that Mallen was moving at 300 mph, and at that speed Tony was absolutely helpless against him. He had to go through the Extremis process to be able to match and defeat Mallen. 300 mph is a very quantitative figure.
How fast do you think BA and CM are?
As for strength, CA and BA are more or less physical analogues of Superman. We have seen CA go toe to toe with Superman (and not just a stupid CIS slug-fest ala Wolverine vs Hulk or Ironman vs Hulk, but a 3-d battle), and we have seen BA kick @$$ and take down names. We know the relative strength levels of the characters, and they are prodigious.
Now, I don't know whether the statement you made (where you say: have to assume Mallen's strenght was.... well unimaginable, right?) is supposed to insinuate that you believe that Mallen has 'unimaginable' levels of strength, and that 'unimaginable' strength is greater than that of BA or CA, but if that is what you believe then there is no need progressing further (again, the 'debating with a Storm fanboy' example waste of time).
However, any logical look at the situation shows that Stark is the weak point in Sentry's team, that Stark's level of strength is far below that of the CA/BA team, and that Stark will not be able to handle critically high levels of speed from only half a mile away.
Or ....mabe Mallen is the TOAA ......
Originally posted by Mindset
Well Sentry was beating IM pretty easily when he didn't even want to hurt him, what do you think BA would do?
I'll give you that Sentry certainly was knocking Iron Man literally all over town, but in the end Iron Man didn't have a scratch on him and he was standing over an incapacitated Sentry.
So I dunno what Black Adam would do.
Originally posted by Innerhype
I'll give you that Sentry certainly was knocking Iron Man literally all over town, but in the end Iron Man didn't have a scratch on him and he was standing over an incapacitated Sentry.So I dunno what Black Adam would do.
That's because he hacked Cloc...will BA hold back against IM, does BA have a cloc?
I'm surprised you don't know what BA will do, but I do, and that's demolish IM. 🙂
Originally posted by Mindset
That's because he hacked Cloc...will BA hold back against IM, does BA have a cloc?I'm surprised you don't know what BA will do, but I do, and that's demolish IM. 🙂
That is what is called looking at the context. Something that is sorely missing, especially when people post disjointed scans or state random feats. Context is very important, on KMC as well as in real life.
Thank you sir ...nice to see logic on the threads. Much appreciated.
Cheers,
Spetz