United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, I know. And you think that you can just isolate this criticism from everyone else that these people can be compared to. It doesn't work that way. I've already had several friends who've been actively harassed and bullied for either being Muslim or of a minority descent, and this is in a state pretty far from Trump's base. But what do we hear from you about this? Crickets.

But I'm not sure what you want to hear from me about your friends. I never said stuff like that was okay. I never said some Trump supporters weren't acting extreme.

I mean you say you hear "crickets" but do you remember your racism topic that got closed? I replied to that saying Trump needed to specifically target these people and tell them to stop. What more do you want me specifically to do? I can't control the media anymore than you can.

You complain so f*cking much about SJW's, but the recent spike in hate crimes following Trump's victory kind of proves them right.

It really doesn't prove them right. You seem to think I make fun of SJW's just for the sheer fact they believe racism and sexism still exist in this country. I believe they exacerbate these things. But now everytime there is any kind of hate crime in this country it will get a lot more attention so people can just blame Trump for it.

Yeah, yeah, violent protests are bad - we get that. I'd also love to see how many actual reported instances of violence there have been, and whether the proportion is greater than what you'd find in, say, a sports or new years celebration. Somehow I doubt that you'll even respond to this part of my post.

You doubted I'd respond to this part of your part, so once again you've been proven wrong. Here is the thing though: you talk about violence. I never said I heard about people getting the shit kicked out of them or anything. I have heard of people shutting down freeways and interstates. I have heard of some fires being started, I have heard of police officers having objects thrown at them.

Surely someone who is supposed to be as smart as you think you are..you recognize that a lot of the time I called these protests non-peaceful. But non-peaceful doesn't always mean outright violence. For example..the whole "blocking freeways" and shit. That's not violence. Yet it's surely not peaceful either.

I know you'll come back and say this doesn't compare to what your friends and others have experienced and the thing is..this isn't a competition really. We can talk about both if you want. Nobody deserves to be attacked verbally or physically because of who they are.

You say you get these things are bad, but you seem to take issue when they get pointed out..and yet you then say I take issue when Trump is criticized.

The fact that you're excited about a president who plans to gut all of this nation's climate change combating efforts, deport millions of children of undocumented immigrants, and reign in even legal immigration is enough to understand about you.

I never said I'm truly looking forward to a Trump presidency. I'm taking great amusement in some of the butthurt. But the thing is..you'd have done the same thing to me if Trump lost.

Sick burn.

Thanks, sometimes pointing out the truth about a person is, in itself, a burn.

The incredibly stupid part about you is that you valued irrelevant scandals about email servers over climate change and the fate of millions of immigrants, the former of which is an existential threat and the latter of which is essentially the reason why America is a superpower today.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
While I don't have hard data yet, the proportion of people I know who've gone through this in just the past few days is high enough for me to think that this isn't just a series of isolated cases.

Okay, then we really can't discuss it beyond this point, here.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
You could say the same thing about Muslims, undocumented immigrants, etc.

But...I have said as much. And on many occasions. What is your point, here?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
YBut in this case, you don't need a large minority to act like this; given how many people you pass in a given day, you just need one.

I just need one for what?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Because you're kind of assuming that this type of harassment is something that a small fraction of people experience like once in their lifetime.

Where did I make this assumption? I'm not Surtur and I don't know if he made that assumption, either. You're responding to me, dadudemon.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's not 1967 anymore; the Left changed things, and in the response the modern Republican party literally branded itself as the party of the white man.

What is the point of telling me this? Did you understand my point?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The incredibly stupid part about you is that you valued irrelevant scandals about email servers over climate change and the fate of millions of immigrants, the former of which is an existential threat and the latter of which is essentially the reason why America is a superpower today.

I didn't find the deep seated corruption of the Clintons to be irrelevant. But okay we can ignore that for now and talk about climate change. I don't even recall having a discussion with you about climate change. This election hasn't been about climate change. Nor has it truly been about any specific policy, would you say that is a fair assessment? This doesn't mean this stuff never got mentioned, but it wasn't the stuff people like the MSM focused on.

So for example wouldn't it have been more advantageous to just continually press people about Trump's views on important things like climate change? As opposed to them focusing on stuff like him pretending to be his publicist in the early 90's or audio recordings of him being a vulgar piece of crap?

Instead of them trying to talk about how Trump said all illegals are rapists..instead of focusing on his apparent racism why didn't they focus more on the issues these families might face with a Trump presidency? If these subjects were discussed during the election they weren't discussed enough in comparison to the worthless crap.

So I guess I certainly agree with people who say the MSM played a role in Trump's victory.

For my own views, I feel climate change is a thing. I never said I doubted that.

On immigration..you know I'm not pro illegal immigrants. Though I did say on more than one occasion that since people were saying him deporting all these illegals just wasn't feasible..I would prefer if he concentrated not on getting rid of the illegals already here..but on preventing anymore from coming here.

Originally posted by Surtur
I didn't find the deep seated corruption of the Clintons to be irrelevant.

At best for your case, corruption comparisons between Trump and Hillary are a wash. But you still never explained how it's so relevant.

But okay we can ignore that for now and talk about climate change. I don't even recall having a discussion with you about climate change. This election hasn't been about climate change. Nor has it truly been about any specific policy, would you say that is a fair assessment? This doesn't mean this stuff never got mentioned, but it wasn't the stuff people like the MSM focused on.

Who cares if people focused on it? Does the atmosphere only suffer adverse effects if the media mentions it? 😕

So for example wouldn't it have been more advantageous to just continually press people about Trump's views on important things like climate change? As opposed to them focusing on stuff like him pretending to be his publicist in the early 90's or audio recordings of him being a vulgar piece of crap?

Because most people don't care about climate change, because they're stupid.

Instead of them trying to talk about how Trump said all illegals are rapists..instead of focusing on his apparent racism why didn't they focus more on the issues these families might face with a Trump presidency? If these subjects were discussed during the election they weren't discussed enough in comparison to the worthless crap.

Why doesn't this work both ways again?

So I guess I certainly agree with people who say the MSM played a role in Trump's victory.

For my own views, I feel climate change is a thing. I never said I doubted that.

Yet you still prioritize not electing someone with a private email server over someone who poses a serious threat to one of the most severe dangers humanity faces. It's comically shortsighted and petty.

On immigration..you know I'm not pro illegal immigrants. Though I did say on more than one occasion that since people were saying him deporting all these illegals just wasn't feasible..I would prefer if he concentrated not on getting rid of the illegals already here..but on preventing anymore from coming here.

Regardless of what your personal opinions are, you're supporting someone who also wants to gut children of those illegal immigrants, and even pull back legal immigrants, .i.e. the backbone of huge swaths of the American economy.

But no, EMAILS!!!#@!

It's hard to even have a discussion with you when you continually misrepresent what I say. I never said climate change doesn't exist if people don't talk about it. I was merely commenting on how during this election actual policies took a back seat and all this drama became the center of attention.

You ask why it doesn't work both ways, but I never said it didn't. I was tossing out strategies I think the liberal side should have done. It is what I would have done if it was my job to go after Trump.

Now onto the emails. When I speak of her corruption I'm not actually talking about the fact she had a private email server. One of the things that did bother me were some of her more outrageous lies about it. If she had simply said "you know what I made a mistake and it won't happen again" and she left it at that? I don't think she would have been as adversely affected by it. By she continued to lie about it.

That in itself is bad, but for me the corruption was all the stuff to do with the Clinton Foundation. It had to do with the shit we saw in wikileaks. It had to do with the casual way she and her aides went about their corruption. It had to do with the videos of people working for her campaign talking about utterly shady tactics like starting riots at Trump rallies. Now I predict you will respond to that and say "Trump encouraged violence". Which I've never condoned, but which I also feel doesn't measure up to these people actually planning to cause violence at rallies. And it sure as hell sounded like they were discussing something they'd done plenty of times before.

But we are really going around in circles here.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
While I don't have hard data yet, the proportion of people I know who've gone through this in just the past few days is high enough for me to think that this isn't just a series of isolated cases.

Anti-Muslim hate crimes have gone up 89% this year.

He's so under her skin, he's LITERALLY under her skin.

Originally posted by Impediment
He's so under her skin, he's LITERALLY under her skin.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Oh man, can you imagine dating that chick?

Seriously though, people do realize that unless you are from another country..he IS their president, right? That is something that isn't even up for debate.

they shouldn't defy their president. the presidency is a sacred office that must be treated with solemn reverence.
i mean...who do they think they are? republicans?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
they shouldn't defy their president. the presidency is a sacred office that must be treated with solemn reverence.
i mean...who do they think they are? republicans?

This is true, how dare we care at all that they won't accept it. The democrats surely didn't care when they didn't think Trump would accept it. The least we could do is return the favor.

LOL! A village in Kenya is missing an idiot. It's still funny.

funny when republicans do it. offensive when democrats do it. situational ethics ROCK!!!! it's like...you always get to be right!

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
funny when republicans do it. offensive when democrats do it. situational ethics ROCK!!!! it's like...you always get to be right!

Always getting to be right is fun! Now I know why dictators love being dictators so much.

Originally posted by Surtur
Seriously though, people do realize that unless you are from another country..he IS their president, right? That is something that isn't even up for debate.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You're not too bright are you?

I can't tell if you realize just by the way you responded to that how much it shows you are not bright yourself?

Do you legitimately not see it?

something something hillary and libtards.

Okay I'm gonna just go out on a limb and guess you don't see it, because people like you never do: yes, I know these people truly deep down realize he is their president. I realize this is just some way of showing solidarity to those they feel are in fear over this.

It was a sarcastic comment about how stupid I find the "Not My President" shit is.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
something something hillary and libtards.

True, I'd rather just hear "something something Trump something something Twitter".

But meh, guess we can't all get what we want.

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