Originally posted by Badabing
WTH? I'm a Hulk fan and was worried the story would favor Hulk too much. He knocked down Zeus and hung with him for a time. People need some perspective.I'm glad Marvel drew a clear line in the tiers.
Dude, you're a fan and think normally compared to Hulk fanboys/trolls that thinks he's skyfather.
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Its kinda weird how well Thor did against Zeus, and how Hercules actually beat him down in an older mini series of the 80's, but Zeus mauls not only the Hulk strongest version of the Hulk but was nearly unfazed by a double fisted punch.
What happened to the wisdom of Zeus? Why did he appear to be so evil? What's with his beotch Hera? Pak needs an enema.
Originally posted by StoicZeus was playing/testing Thor and the other time Zeus raped him and the avengers as for Hercules i never seen that one any scans Either way Hulk taking on that much punish meant from a skyfathers was a great feat either way.
Its kinda weird how well Thor did against Zeus, and how Hercules actually beat him down in an older mini series of the 80's, but Zeus mauls not only the Hulk strongest version of the Hulk but was nearly unfazed by a double fisted punch.What happened to the wisdom of Zeus? Why did he appear to be so evil? What's with his beotch Hera? Pak needs an enema.
It never said Zeus was playing or teasing with Thor. You made that up. All Zeus said was that his Thunderbolts were not meant to kill Thor (They wouldn't even if he was trying to kill him I'd wager) as his death was written in the book of Ragnarok, and that was before the fight got heated IIRC. Later on, he even said Thor put up more of a fight than all of the Titans or the Gods of Olympus combined or some such. Zeus wasn't trying to kill Thor and/or wasn't pushing his power to it's limits. Any more than that, and it's conjecture. On the other hand, I don't recall it ever being said Thor was fighting to the best of his capabilities. At the very least, I don't think he was trying to kill Zeus either. It was a younger Thor as well IIRC.
In the second fight, Thor was under Hela's curse. His might was weakened and he was in constant pain. On the other hand, it meant that he couldn't die, but the curse doesn't prevent Thor from being knocked out or incinerated. It just means his soul won't pass on. A living death.
In short, Thor > Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It never said Zeus was playing or teasing with Thor. You made that up. All Zeus said was that his Thunderbolts were not meant to kill Thor (They wouldn't even if he was trying to kill him I'd wager) as his death was written in the book of Ragnarok, and that was before the fight got heated IIRC. Later on, he even said Thor put up more of a fight than all of the Titans or the Gods of Olympus combined or some such. Zeus wasn't trying to kill Thor and/or wasn't pushing his power to it's limits. Any more than that, and it's conjecture. On the other hand, I don't recall it ever being said Thor was fighting to the best of his capabilities. At the very least, I don't think he was trying to kill Zeus either. It was a younger Thor as well IIRC.In the second fight, Thor was under Hela's curse. His might was weakened and he was in constant pain. On the other hand, it meant that he couldn't die, but the curse doesn't prevent Thor from being knocked out or incinerated. It just means his soul won't pass on. A living death.
In short, Thor > Hulk.
I agree with 98% of what you wrote, the part about Thor being greater than the Hulk has yet to be proven. The way that Zeus was written in his encounter with the Hulk ignored his past encounter with Hercules. Wasn't Hercules written to be below the current Hulk in terms of strength output. Perhaps Zeus has some chaos juice remaining in his tank. Or Pak hates the Hulk and is intentionally sabotaging the character. Or, he spends huge amounts of time on boards like this one, and was fed up of his WW Hulk creation.
This Hulk appears to be less than even his Professor Hulk personae, even though we were all led to believe that he was the most powerful Hulk of all. I'm not upset that the Hulk lost, it was simply the way that he lost. Since when does Bruce Banner retain scars after transforming from the Hulk to human? What was with his no show healing factor? Why was his durability dismissed? Is a boulder stronger than adamantium claws? I wonder whats next, will Miek be the next Hulk buster? Who or what was that beast that Hera was about to send after Banner?
A lot of people that read comics seem to dislike the Hulk, and yet they continue to read the book, or should I say write the book, now that's irony for you.
Why do so many people scoff at the suggestion that mortal mutant and superhuman characters such as Hulk can be on the level of Skyfather and above?
Personally I put Hulk below Zeus and Odin, but this is based on their overall powers and abilities, not because he is mortal.
Hulk has superhuman strength, durability and regen healing of the highest order, but he is limited to these 3 main powers. This is why he limited in hierarchy.
Hulk has no use of magic or energy manipulation etc. Zeus and Odin do.
This is the deciding factor, not because he mortal.
Skyfathers call themselves Gods, but they are not truly omnipotent Gods, just very powerful beings. Several mortal characters are above them and some even at Celestial level.
In my opinion using this scale of power within the whole universe hierarchy
Celestials>>>>>>>>>>>>Skyfathers>>Hulk>>regular asguardian/olympian
I am not a comic book expert, but I did read the Zeus v Hulk story.
I had no problem with Zeus beating Hulk with ease at all, but I did have problem with the way it was written. The main part was where Zeus says something like you may be the strongest, but only strongest mortal.
This is bad writing I think. Zeus and the writer are basically saying no mortal character can ever be physically stronger than a skyfather. It is elevating skyfather higher than they actually are.
As Hulk has been described as having truly limitless strength several times, he can be stronger than skyfathers.
It is debatable, but even if he is, does not mean he would win. Many other factors come into play such as fighting skills, wisdom, magic use etc
But the line Zeus says is totally inconsistent to what has been said many other times before. He not just saying Hulk is not as strong as he is, but any mortal. Zeus had too much ego.
Hulk cannot have limitless strength but at same time be no match for a skyfather, because in grand scheme of things skyfathers do not have strength levels on celestial levels. It just makes no sense and to me just comes across as a writer either trying to please Hulk haters, please Zeus fans and forgetting any rules of consistency.