Originally posted by jinzin
Keep telling yourself that. 🙂
Roaul didnt have a problem with it, Starscream M did'nt have aproblem with it, endrict Null had a problem with it at first.
The pople who had a problem with it were xmarks, llgarok and Eternal idol..hell xmarks and llgarok dindt even state wether he could to it their problem was if you give anybody the right tech anybody could beat the Xmen it doesnt make Punisher special.
Re: Batman vs Wolverine
Originally posted by Da JokerBatman will certainly not "dominate". Wolverine is arguably the best H2H combatant in Marvel Earth. Does Wolverine still have his healing or adamantium skleton. If he has neither then Batman takes it 5-6/10.
Okay, they have nothing but there fists, no prep or anything to study one another's fighting skills. Wolverine has somehow been relieved of his claws or simply can't use them, and has to fight with his fists.This fight actually wouldn't be as one sided as some may think. Wolverine has some pretty decent fighting skills so he'd probably win about 2-3/10 but Batman would ultimately dominate.
Originally posted by Placidity
Wolverine never had a H2H fight without his HF. What makes you guys think he'll be just as good without it? He won't be brushing off all the blows with his HF like he is used to.
Originally posted by Da Joker
Okay, they have nothing but there fists, no prep or anything to study one another's fighting skills. Wolverine has somehow been relieved of his claws or simply can't use them, and has to fight with his fists.This fight actually wouldn't be as one sided as some may think. Wolverine has some pretty decent fighting skills so he'd probably win about 2-3/10 but Batman would ultimately dominate.
I'd say you're seriously underestimating Wolverine then. Without his powers and adamantium, Wolverine is still very strong and ridiculously fast. Batman is a great fighter, but I do believe Wolverine is better. The way I see it, Batman would only have the reach and weight advantage, the latter of which is rather negligible in this fight.
Batman without gadgets vs. Wolverine without adamantium, hf, and claws?
I could see Wolverine taking 6/10.
Originally posted by The Heap
Batman. Because he's taken on people far stronger than Wolverine in H2H and won.
Wolverine, because he's taken on people far stronger than Batman and won.
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See how that proves nothing?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Roaul didnt have a problem with it, Starscream M did'nt have aproblem with it, endrict Null had a problem with it at first.The pople who had a problem with it were xmarks, llgarok and Eternal idol..hell xmarks and llgarok dindt even state wether he could to it their problem was if you give anybody the right tech anybody could beat the Xmen it doesnt make Punisher special.
Raoul was skeptical. Masterbruce usually lands himself in the same logical dead-ends you usually stroll into. Xmarks and llagrok were thinking that, but felt that very idea defeated the purpose of the thread. The fact that you hyped up Clarke's capabilities without anything concrete didn't help.
I had a problem with it because you couldn't prove Stuart Clarke could invent something that would take out all three X-Men before Castle got himself killed. Instead of reinforcing your argument, you called me a troll, gave Clarke the benefit of the doubt despite having limitations placed on him, claimed I was referencing the wrong issue, and failed to correct me on the issue number. You just did this at the end:
neutered logan against batman......
logan still possesses a healing factor and metal bones that not only render them unbreakable but also strengthen his blows. joint locks also don't threaten his skeleton.
even if batman was the better fighter, he would still be at a serious disadvantage.....if logan two pieces him in the grill, batman goes to sleep.
well well, i have read some of the comments on this thread and i just have to agree that wolverine wins, why?, well you think because you simply took his healing factor, adamantium claws and bones, he would lose to batman, i am sorry to disappoint you, but that ain't happening, i like both characters very much, i think batman is no doubt one of the best hand to hand MA fighters in the comic universe, but you have to also look at wolverine, he has tons of experience, experience is what wins this fight in my opinion, he was trained by guys Ogun, who knows those guys could even be the ancestors of batman's trainers..lol..
Anyway just because Logan uses his claws every time and shows less of his fighting skills you think batman wins majority of the fight?, think about it, if you have adamantium claws and healing factor, why the hell would you still rely on hand to hand skills. Now take those features away and you have him coming back to his old habits he learnt before he got is adamantium. you have to understand that wolverine fights to survive, Batman fights to deter.
wolverine 6/10, its no shame to lose to wolverine.
Originally posted by The Great Galennah, his fighting skills and experience are on par or better with batman's, it's just that logan has the perfect mutant power's to complement his fighting ability and personality.
I hate to admit that Logan wins but only due to his stats, in a pure h2h battle he loses 10-10.
there isn't an asterisk behind the creedo "I am the best there is at what i do". the guy just owns that much, i remember him casually sneaking into the baxter building during the infinity war even though that building is dripping with security systems designed by reed richards...his "power set " had nothing to do with his ninja skills.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
nah, his fighting skills and experience are on par or better with batman's, it's just that logan has the perfect mutant power's to complement his fighting ability and personality.there isn't an asterisk behind the creedo "I am the best there is at what i do". the guy just owns that much, i remember him casually sneaking into the baxter building during the infinity war even though that building is dripping with security systems designed by reed richards...his "power set " had nothing to do with his ninja skills.
Originally posted by The Great Galenand without his mask, batman wouldn't even leave his cave...whats your point?
I understanf that there is a huge fan following behind logan so it might be a bit taboo to discredit his h2h ability.......but c'mom guys. Bruce is arguably as good as kid valmer in h2h ability....without logans stats he couldnt compete for more then a few momments. Wloverine is not the pinnacle of h2h ability he is overatted.
the stuff that makes the character the character shouldn't be subtracted just to appease people that like other "comparable" characters more.
sure his healing factor is insane but some people are saying that it has been reduced BACK to classic levels, that was my only gripe with the character, they made his healing too major. now we can get back to the essence of wolverine.
but back to what you were saying about logan, you claim that he is "overrated", sure some people blow him out of proportion but at the end of the day, if he just stands there and lets batman tee off on him, who's gonna feel it more? then he just returns the favor to a winded batman.