Star Forge empowered Malak vs Mace Windu (Takes place on the Star Forge)

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Vapaad.

Excuses. A godo duelist should not lose simply because someone "knows their style". Anakin lost because he's an idiot. Not simply because Obi-Wan knew his style..

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It doesn't really matter. The worse that'll happen if Mace "succumbs to the dark energies" is that his Vapaad will become even more lethal and after he wipes the floor with Malak he'll go darkside and forever be a dark Jedi... that doesn't have any bearing on this fight hough.

That is more interesting, it is possible for Mace to succumb to the dark side and if he does that may go in his advantage. Otherwise we still have no record that I am aware of that Mace could stand up to the dark energies emitted from the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Malak has never faced the type of people Mace had in saber combat. Your entire argument is based on the lack of information for Malak. It is very stupid to say that Malak can compare to Mace in saber combat because he might be really good with zero evidence to back it up. While Mace is one of the deadliest duelists of all time. The fact is he doesn't and probably never will.

You do realize that it took a very long time for the Rakatan to be corrupted by the star forge and Mace would only be on it for this battle.

Really how so? We have no idea how long it took. It could have been short or long. The Rakatans practice the dark art so it could not have the same affect as it would on a light user who has no real experience with dealing with dark energies of the that magnitude.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Really how so? We have no idea how long it took. It could have been short or long. The Rakatans practice the dark art so it could not have the same affect as it would on a light user who has no real experience with dealing with dark energies of the that magnitude.

According to wookieepedia it took about 200 years after the star forge was built for the infinite empire to crumble after a civil war and plague(which takes longer than a day which this duel wont even take half that time). Then there is the fact the Revan,Juhani,Jolee, and many jedi actually landed and fought on the thing and they weren't affected by its "dark energies" as you put it. And guess what Mace is far above any jedi that landed on the star forge save for Revan, so yes just being on the thing doesn't seem affect those jed(it is up to you to prove otherwise that it has the same affect as malachor on jedi) so I see no reason why Mace would be affected by it.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
According to wookieepedia it took about 200 years after the star forge was built for the infinite empire to crumble after a civil war and plague(which takes longer than a day which this duel wont even take half that time). Then there is the fact the Revan,Juhani,Jolee, and many jedi actually landed and fought on the thing and they weren't affected by its "dark energies" as you put it. And guess what Mace is far above any jedi that landed on the star forge save for Revan, so yes just being on the thing doesn't seem affect those jed(it is up to you to prove otherwise that it has the same affect as malachor on jedi) so I see no reason why Mace would be affected by it.

The Rakatans were a powerful race that were engulfed in using the dark side and pour those dark energies into the Star Forge. That is 200 years of dark energies. So let us address my statement which you did not do.

I never stated that a dark user would be affected in a bad way immediately. As you have stated Elite on a previous thread I made a "dark artifact or place is the same" thus it will affect a light user in a negative way no matter what.

Seeing that it took 200 years that would make the Star Forge all the more powerful in dark energies especially since it in the long run corrupted even dark users. Remember Revan by the time of reaching the Star Forge was already headed if not there to the dark side. Who knows his contact with the Star Forge could have completed his fall.

Also not game play according to my knowledge story only mentions not game play story Revan boarding the Star Forge. I never heard Juhani,Jolee names mention.

Still have no one has proven how Mace would be just ok on the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I never stated that a dark user would be affected in a bad way immediately. As you have stated Elite on a previous thread I made a "dark artifact or place is the same" thus it will affect a light user in a negative way no matter what.

I'm pretty sure I said that any darksider would get a "power boost" from a "dark artifact or place" not that it would necessarily affect a lightsider directly (power wise) but the main point that I was trying to make before is that there is no evidence that the darkside would corrupt a lightsider,let alone in one as powerful as Mace in a short amount of time like I mistook your post nor is there proof that the star forge can corrupt one as fast malachor v (it many years for the rakatan to get affected by it) so I don't think Mace would be affected by the "dark taint" of the star forge. Then there is Blax's idea of a dark side Mace which would be pretty interesting to see.

Seeing that it took 200 years that would make the Star Forge all the more powerful in dark energies especially since it in the long run corrupted even dark users. Remember Revan by the time of reaching the Star Forge was already headed if not there to the dark side. Who knows his contact with the Star Forge could have completed his fall

See the above but it doesn't really matter since from I gather we both agree that Mace wouldn't be corrupted in a way that hurts his skills. Though 200 years of darkside presence/taint doesn't compare to planets such as korriban,malachor, vjun,etc.

Also not game play according to my knowledge story only mentions not game play story Revan boarding the Star Forge. I never heard Juhani,Jolee names mention.

Now we start discussing the duel itself.

Still have no one has proven how Mace would be just ok on the Star Forge.

All out Mace would most certainly win anywhere else for sure, here though he has make sure he follows up on his attacks and doesn't leave an opening for Malak to rejuvenate himself that said I still go with Mace but it would be much closer due to the star forge and the captive jedi and Malak would give Mace a hard challenge on the star forge.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
I'm pretty sure I said that any darksider would get a "power boost" from a "dark artifact or place" not that it would necessarily affect a lightsider directly (power wise) but the main point that I was trying to make before is that there is no evidence that the darkside would corrupt a lightsider,let alone in one as powerful as Mace in a short amount of time like I mistook your post nor is there proof that the star forge can corrupt one as fast malachor v (it many years for the rakatan to get affected by it) so I don't think Mace would be affected by the "dark taint" of the star forge. Then there is Blax's idea of a dark side Mace which would be pretty interesting to see.

See the above but it doesn't really matter since from I gather we both agree that Mace wouldn't be corrupted in a way that hurts his skills. Though 200 years of darkside presence/taint doesn't compare to planets such as korriban,malachor, vjun,etc.

I put there names in because we know that gameplay isn't canon, but none the less we can use some common sense and logic. Jolee and Juhani were able to get into the "temple of the ancients" even though they were originally not allowed too enter. I highly doubt that while the fate of the galaxy lies on the star forge that they or any members of the ebon hawk are going to just kick back and relax. Plus I also mentioned how the other jedi didn't seem to be affected in a negative(such as being corrupted by the SF) way by facing dark jedi. So moving on.

Now we start discussing the duel itself.

Mace is by far a better saber duelist than Malak has faced off against overall more powerful foes(in the force and saber wise) than Malak. Mace has a unique saber style that Malak has never heard of, his shatterpoint skill may come into play. Now for Mace to win he needs to force a lightsaber duel to occur and he must land a fatal blow that is instant or follow up with another fatal blow so that Malak has no chance of draining the jedi. Malak would win a straight up for duel but he would have to watch for Mace's force crush which might surprise him since most jedi don't use dark side techniques.

All out Mace would most certainly win anywhere else for sure, here though he has make sure he follows up on his attacks and doesn't leave an opening for Malak to rejuvenate himself that said I still go with Mace but it would be much closer due to the star forge and the captive jedi and Malak would give Mace a hard challenge on the star forge.

I do not agree with everything but well said, I can agree that Mace would really need to make no mistakes here in order to come out victorious.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not agree with everything but well said, I can agree that Mace would really need to make no mistakes here in order to come out victorious.

Malak once clearly said that a Star Forge empowered Revan would be unstoppable.

Please disregard my above comment. It was mean't for the other thread of similar nature but is about Revan.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
again his "force power" and thier potential vary with gameplay, if i went through kotor and beat malak using force drain and force breach then to me, malak is a weak force user, so his powers are too unknown but we certainly know he is below siddious who many sources hold as the top sith.

Use common sense.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
secondly mace has vaapad which revan doesnt know about.

Mace will have to act very carefully in this case and will have to take care of Malak's energy supply because with that, Malak will mount a massive pressure on him through his powerful force attacks and it is not clear that all known Sith force powers can be countered through Vaapad, since not all force powers are of the same nature as Force Lightning and Malak knows more than Force Lightning.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
third does the star forge give malak a 10% boost a 20% boost? who knows,

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Force choking two Jedi simultaneously is not a joke and he knows most of those impressive Sith powers that we see in the movies.

This is indeed an advantage but Revan is still smarter and a better strategist than Mace. Plus he knows Malak much better.

Mace will have to act very carefully in this case and will have to take care of Malak's energy supply because with that, Malak will mount a massive pressure on him through his powerful force attacks

and it is not clear that all known Sith force powers can be countered through Vaapad, since not all force powers are of the same nature as Force Lightning and Malak knows more than Force Lightning.